We win (AP Scandal v. 27)

[Pokerlogist]

Kudos to those who broke this open.

The pocket fives post ends: "Extremely Relieved, --Adam". I don't find this something to be relieved about. I was hoping for an innocent explanation. I am shocked. Now it looks like any poker site is at much higher risk to play at than was ever thought. Why couldn't happen again somewhere, but in a more surreptitious manner? UGH

[StoneColdTex]

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Kudos to those who broke this open.

The pocket fives post ends: "Extremely Relieved, --Adam". I don't find this something to be relieved about. I was hoping for an innocent explanation. I am shocked. Now it looks like any poker site is at much higher risk to play at than was ever thought. Why couldn't happen again somewhere, but in a more surreptitious manner? UGH


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They haven't released their statement yet, yet you are shocked? UGH?

Why dont you wait to see what they release? It may disclose all (I doubt it), or it may be very little of an admission... Either way you should wait to see what they confess too before you take a position on the outcome.

[Phil153]

Could someone give more details on how Absolute is run? Who does the day to day management? Who sets policy? Is there a management team? Is there a CEO/investor/owner who has final say on anything? Who is he? Is this person in any way linked to the alleged cheaters? Does the security team have autonomy?

I've read all these threads and know little about how AP is run. Some more information would be helpful in determining whether we're going to get half truths and whether it's even possible for AP to clean up their act going forward.

[N 82 50 24]

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Could someone give more details on how Absolute is run? Who does the day to day management? Who sets policy? Is there a management team? Is there a CEO/investor/owner who has final say on anything? Who is he? Is this person in any way linked to the alleged cheaters? Does the security team have autonomy?

I've read all these threads and know little about how AP is run. Some more information would be helpful in determining whether we're going to get half truths and whether it's even possible for AP to clean up their act going forward.

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From what's been told to me, AJ Green (or whatever name you want to give to him) is very active day-to-day. I actually get the feeling that Scott Tom was not as active as some people might think he was, but AP was being misleading when they said he was not a part of Team AP for a year -- while that may technically be true, he's been involved much more recently than that.

Also, a ton of other names have come up in my discussions with people. Also, Adanthar and some more silent investigators have given me a number of other names. However, I don't know if there's any point to posting a list of names when I haven't really bothered to look into many of them. I certainly can't provide many details on a lot of them and I don't know if any were involved.

[N 82 50 24]

I have not seen this posted yet. Apologies if it was posted (I can't believe it wouldn't have been picked up on...).

Mark Seif's latest statement.

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http://www.bluffmagazine.com/blog/bl...0&bcatid=4

10/18/2007 8:54:53 PM EST
My Mood: Chillin...
Personal Statement

Over the past 24-48 hours, I have talked to many friends and colleagues who I trust and respect dearly about the AP situation. I want to thank them for their unwavering support and valuable advice. It's been a difficult time for all involved, myself included. After some personal reflection, I wanted to provide the poker community with a personal statement from me as opposed to my last two blog entries which merely posted AP's official statements.

First, I want to make it clear that I view the allegations that have been brought forth against AP as serious, and if true, very troublesome. I hope the allegations against AP are not true. But, I am not naive nor will I whitewash or ignore any relevant facts or data that bear on the issues at hand.

I want to find out the truth. I want to know what, if anything, may have happened. Since, I first learned about the allegations, I have asked AP's management to thoroughly investigate each and every claim of wrong-doing. They have assured me that will happen.

I am open to the possibility that improper, unethical and perhaps even unqualified cheating may have occurred at AP. I am even open to the possibility that present or former AP employees, or executives may have participated, condoned or were negligent in failing to discover the alleged improper acts.

But, and this is a big BUT, I feel it is imperative that we wait until all the evidence is in before we convict. It's only fair. It's the right thing to do. In my career as an attorney, I witnessed, first hand, many cases of a rush to judgment that ultimately proved to be entirely incorrect and/or mistaken.

Please don't interpret this as defending AP or any person or persons that have may engaged in wrong-doing. I am neither defending nor indicting anyone. I just hope that we can all keep and open mind until all the evidence is in. I honestly believe the truth will come out in the end.

I also honestly believe that AP will do the right thing if improper conduct has, in fact, occurred. I have spoken to AP's management and they have assured me that they want to get to the bottom of this, that they will go public with the findings and that if anyone has been harmed, they will be made whole. I believe them.

Finally, for those that have unnecessarily and unfairly accused me of wrong-doing, I want to go on record and state the following. I have never, ever, not one time, ever, been able to see any hole cards, other than my own, on any poker site I have ever played on nor have I ever had relayed to me in any manner whatsoever other players' hole cards.

With respect to a session I played two years ago heads-up on AP in the 75/150 game, against "stuckinpgh" (I believe that is the name) that has been the subject of some discussion, I won fair and square. I am 99.99% certain that I did NOT fold, when first to act (not facing a bet) on the flop when my opponent claims he flopped a full house. That is complete nonsense and I welcome anyone to try to disprove that. I believe my opponent has recanted his story and I am happy that he was man enough to do that because that is the truth.

I don't normally reply to or acknowledge such ridiculous claims, but in light of the current situation, I wanted to be unambiguously clear that I engaged in no wrong-doing whatsoever. I don't know what else to say other than what I have already said about that incident or the AP situation at this time.

Call me naive, but I think AP and online poker industry as a whole will emerge even better than before as a result of the amazing, dedicated and tireless work of some very intelligent and vigilant players.

Thank you again to all those that have been so supportive. I truly appreciate it.

-- Mark Seif

[Vavavoom]

Fair play to Mark Seif for coming out now...

But he had a chance before with all the evidence there was and still didn't seem convinced...


Nonetheless, all the guys on here who contributed to getting to where we are now and the guys from P5's deserve a massive thanks... Online Poker has a great community and its amazing what can happen when it comes together



Vava

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perhaps even unqualified cheating may have occurred at AP

What the [censored] is qualified cheating?

[GaryTheGoat]

N82:

http://www.bluffmagazine.com/blog/bl...0&bcatid=4
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Finally, for those that have unnecessarily and unfairly accused me of wrong-doing, I want to go on record and state the following. I have never, ever, not one time, ever, been able to see any hole cards, other than my own, on any poker site I have ever played on nor have I ever had relayed to me in any manner whatsoever other players' hole cards.

With respect to a session I played two years ago heads-up on AP in the 75/150 game, against "stuckinpgh" (I believe that is the name) that has been the subject of some discussion, I won fair and square. I am 99.99% certain that I did NOT fold, when first to act (not facing a bet) on the flop when my opponent claims he flopped a full house. That is complete nonsense and I welcome anyone to try to disprove that. I believe my opponent has recanted his story and I am happy that he was man enough to do that because that is the truth.

I don't normally reply to or acknowledge such ridiculous claims, but in light of the current situation, I wanted to be unambiguously clear that I engaged in no wrong-doing whatsoever. I don't know what else to say other than what I have already said about that incident or the AP situation at this time.

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Wouldn't it be fun if these two guys could each request their hand histories for this heads-up game, they could be coded into a replayer, and we could sweat the match in god-mode a la Poker Stars final table replay on you tube?

Edit: Thanks N82

gg

[imabigdeal]

wow, seif has really changed his tune... interesting...

[N 82 50 24]

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N82:
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Finally, for those that have unnecessarily and unfairly accused me of wrong-doing, I want to go on record and state the following. I have never, ever, not one time, ever, been able to see any hole cards, other than my own, on any poker site I have ever played on nor have I ever had relayed to me in any manner whatsoever other players' hole cards.

With respect to a session I played two years ago heads-up on AP in the 75/150 game, against "stuckinpgh" (I believe that is the name) that has been the subject of some discussion, I won fair and square. I am 99.99% certain that I did NOT fold, when first to act (not facing a bet) on the flop when my opponent claims he flopped a full house. That is complete nonsense and I welcome anyone to try to disprove that. I believe my opponent has recanted his story and I am happy that he was man enough to do that because that is the truth.

I don't normally reply to or acknowledge such ridiculous claims, but in light of the current situation, I wanted to be unambiguously clear that I engaged in no wrong-doing whatsoever. I don't know what else to say other than what I have already said about that incident or the AP situation at this time.

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Wouldn't it be fun if these two guys could each request their hand histories for this heads-up game, they could be coded into a replayer, and we could sweat the match in god-mode a la Poker Stars final table replay on you tube?

gg

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Just to be clear, you are not quoting something that I said... Because it kinda seems like it just with putting "N 82:" in front of it.