OT: [censored] thread, September, READ RULES IN TOP POST

[Slim Pickens]

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Did the police have the authority to revoke his privileges to be on the premises?

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, yes.

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I know you're a climber, but that's a very weak limb you're on. The police don't just have the authority to decide where everyone is allowed to be. He lawfully entered the facility and at a later point it's not up to the police to decide whether he's trespassing or not.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6...ed&search=

The guy in the suit on the far right looks like he signals to cut off the mic. He also doesn't look like a cop. It's really seeming like the event organizers revoked his privilege to attend their event and the cops, as they usually do, provided law enforcement when requested.

[Jbrochu]

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[censored] that kid, i finished in 11th in the hundred grand last night after 6 hours of playing, i would have gladly just gotten taser'd at 9 and gone to bed

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Usually, I stick a pencil in my eye but I like this idea better.

Edit: congrats FD that's a strong finish.

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Did the police have the authority to revoke his privileges to be on the premises?

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, yes.

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I know you're a climber, but that's a very weak limb you're on. The police don't just have the authority to decide where everyone is allowed to be. He lawfully entered the facility and at a later point it's not up to the police to decide whether he's trespassing or not.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6...ed&search=

The guy in the suit on the far right looks like he signals to cut off the mic. He also doesn't look like a cop. It's really seeming like the event organizers revoked his privilege to attend their event and the cops, as they usually do, provided law enforcement when requested.

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That video is more damning than the others. A signal was given to cut the mic, yes. The mic wasn't cut. No one made any reasonable effort to stop him or tell him to leave before he was arrested. There's like 10 seconds in between cut the mic signal and his arrest. It looks like the two police discuss it and decide to arrest him and that it is triggered by the content of his speech. The cop does not tap him on the shoulder and ask him to leave. He was immediately put into custody.

Besides resisting, what crime can he possibly be convicted of? If you can't answer that, how can you possibly think he should be arrested?

FD, yeah school cops were there, but someone is still supposed to be breaking a law before they are arrested. I really don't see how anyone can possibly say what he did constitutes trespassing and can't think of any other law he could have broken.

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Legally he is arrested any time he is detained by the police. That happened the second he was grabbed. That's why he was resisting arrest when he tried to get away. Otherwise he wasn't resisting.


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This is not true . . . at all. Being detained by the police is not the same as being arrested. When you get pulled over for speeding, you've been detained but you haven't been arrested. If they make you get out of your car and take sobriety tests, you're being detained but not arrested. If they pat you down and frisk you to ensure you're not armed, you're being detained but you still have not been arrested.

In this case, he wasn't arrested until they led him to the back of the room, he tried to escape and run back again, and then they tackled him to the floor. At that point, they informed him he was under arrest, read him his rights, and tried to put cuffs on him. He resisted arrest at that point when he continued to struggle while they tried to cuff him.

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This is not true . . . at all. Being detained by the police is not the same as being arrested.

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That's not what my brother who has been both a deputy district attorney and a public defender says.

What is it called when they grab your arm and pull you around? Can they do this for any reason? For no reason?

So he's not resisting arrest until they read him his rights and all that? He can run away at that point and he's fine? That's not evading or resisting arrest?

[terrellk11]

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Did the police have the authority to revoke his privileges to be on the premises?

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, yes.

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I know you're a climber, but that's a very weak limb you're on. The police don't just have the authority to decide where everyone is allowed to be. He lawfully entered the facility and at a later point it's not up to the police to decide whether he's trespassing or not.

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My wife has worked at universities for the last decade and is responsible for organizing events not all that dissimilar to this one. The police that attend the events are given wide discretion by the school to determine when someone should be removed from an event. At least three times (may be more but she only knows of three) in the last 18 months at her current school, people have been removed from the event by the police assigned to the event. On two occasions it was done at the request of the organizers/school administration. On the third, it was a judgment call by the officers. However, the people removed in all three cases were smart enough to go peacefully.

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I really don't see how anyone can possibly say what he did constitutes trespassing and can't think of any other law he could have broken.

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If a group gets a permit to use a facility for an event and they want you to leave and you don't, you're trespassing.

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Did the police have the authority to revoke his privileges to be on the premises?

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, yes.

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I know you're a climber, but that's a very weak limb you're on. The police don't just have the authority to decide where everyone is allowed to be. He lawfully entered the facility and at a later point it's not up to the police to decide whether he's trespassing or not.

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My wife has worked at universities for the last decade and is responsible for organizing events not all that dissimilar to this one. The police that attend the events are given wide discretion by the school to determine when someone should be removed from an event. At least three times (may be more but she only knows of three) in the last 18 months at her current school, people have been removed from the event by the police assigned to the event. On two occasions it was done at the request of the organizers/school administration. On the third, it was a judgment call by the officers. However, the people removed in all three cases were smart enough to go peacefully.

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The police are limited by the law not just free to do whatever the universities authorize them to do. This guy was not given the chance to leave peacefully before force was used.

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This is not true . . . at all. Being detained by the police is not the same as being arrested.

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That's not what my brother who has been both a deputy district attorney and a public defender says.

What is it called when they grab your arm and pull you around? Can they do this for any reason? For no reason?

So he's not resisting arrest until they read him his rights and all that? He can run away at that point and he's fine? That's not evading or resisting arrest?

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The exact definition of an arrest varies depending on the circumstances. As I pointed out in my previous post, there are situations where you are clearly being detained but you are not under arrest (like when you're pulled over for speeding or for suspected drunk driving).

To constitute an arrest, there has to be an intention to take someone into custody. In this case, they weren't trying to take him into custody at first. They were trying to escort him out of the event. If he had walked out when they tried to escort him out, or even after his first attempt to go back (before he was led up the aisle towards teh door when there were only two officers walking with him), he would have been allowed to go on his merry way.

Once he continued to struggle and had to be physically restrained, tackled and cuffed, the situation changed.

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I really don't see how anyone can possibly say what he did constitutes trespassing and can't think of any other law he could have broken.

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If a group gets a permit to use a facility for an event and they want you to leave and you don't, you're trespassing.

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This is ridiculous. Look at the video and tell me it should have been clear to him that he had been asked to leave the facility before the cop grabs his arm.