STTF SNG->cash thread

[DevinLake]

with stacks this size...I'd b/3-bet.

[Scuba Chuck]

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Villain is a nit 8/6 over ~100 hands, what kind of flops am I looking for here.


Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls and folds most flops?

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I would avoid pretty much any confrontation with this guy. There is easier money to get elsewhere. I would say that folding here isn't horrible.

Ok, so you're getting better than 2:1 to call with AK. Unless I flopped an ace, trip kings, or straight, I'm folding near 100% of other flops. Even if I flop an ace, I'm still playing cautious. There are only 3 hands that are the absolute best for you, and that is trip aces, trip kings, or straight. Each of these hands, there's a very good chance he doesn't payoff.

[futuredoc85]

scuba, bet the flop, shove over a raise. keep betting every street until either he raises and you can shove, or a bad card (heart, T , A) hits. Having any street check through is pretty much a disaster for you here.

[Scuba Chuck]

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scuba, bet the flop, shove over a raise. keep betting every street until either he raises and you can shove, or a bad card (heart, T , A) hits. Having any street check through is pretty much a disaster for you here.

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I don't doubt the value of bet-bet-bet. I guess the question is will THIS type of villain call a 3bet allin more or less than a CRAI for stacks this deep?

[Jbrochu]

How many hands per week of NL100 would someone have to play in order to get decent coaching on a % of profits basis assuming the following:

- player puts up his own bankroll and it's at least 30 buyins deep
- coach gets 75% of profits for some reasonable minimum length of time
- player can quit if he drops 15 buyins
- coach can quit at any time if he realizes player sucks and isn't "getting it"
- Player agrees to play X number of hands/week for length of agreement

Would have to figure out something reasonable for how much time and effort coach has to committ to on a weekly basis.

Also, same question for NL200 but player will put up 20 buyins only and be able to drop to NL100 if he drops 10 buy-ins at NL200.

[blackize]

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I don't doubt the value of bet-bet-bet. I guess the question is will THIS type of villain call a 3bet allin more or less than a CRAI for stacks this deep?

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You still have the enormous problem of letting it get checked through if you go for a CRAI. 15 cards kill your action or force you to fold and you don't want him catching those free.

[cha59]

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I don't doubt the value of bet-bet-bet. I guess the question is will THIS type of villain call a 3bet allin more or less than a CRAI for stacks this deep?

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You still have the enormous problem of letting it get checked through if you go for a CRAI. 15 cards kill your action or force you to fold and you don't want him catching those free.

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I don't really think you get him to call significantly more by checkraising. I don't think checkraising looks all that much weaker that bet/3bet shoving.

[Scuba Chuck]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.30 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($36.60)
BB ($30)
UTG ($55.20)
MP ($5.85)
Hero ($121.60)
Button ($117.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $0.30.
<font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $0.6</font>, Hero calls $0.60, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $0.45, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($2.10) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, SB calls $2, MP folds.

Turn: ($6.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($6.10) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $6</font>, Hero...

This is kind of for Microbet, but open to anyone who knows.

What mathematical model do you use to decide about calling this river bet?

[microbet]

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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.30 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($36.60)
BB ($30)
UTG ($55.20)
MP ($5.85)
Hero ($121.60)
Button ($117.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $0.30.
<font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $0.6</font>, Hero calls $0.60, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $0.45, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($2.10) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, SB calls $2, MP folds.

Turn: ($6.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($6.10) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $6</font>, Hero...

This is kind of for Microbet, but open to anyone who knows.

What mathematical model do you use to decide about calling this river bet?

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[img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] The only model I use is you have to be right more than about 1/3 of the time.

There are always hands that will make you scratch your head, but the value betting hands that make sense either hit the turn and wanted you to bet or were exactly J9/J8 - maybe AJ/KJ.

When you check turn you'll invite a river bluff from either missed diamonds or a hand that floated (A6 or something) and turned into a bluff on the river.

I don't think you're good 1/2 the time, but I'd call with no read. If he has passive numbers postflop I'd fold.

I don't 2nd barrel against people who are never folding, but it's not a bad spot. He's going to fold a lot of hands there and if he has a 7 maybe he slowplays and you river a card that stacks him.

[DevinLake]

Edit: I'd fold. like microbet said, this is a good flop to plan a 2nd barrel on, if the turn blanks, and if you are willing to fire a third on a bland river.

He usually doesn't have a real strong hand on the flop here.

However, the problem with how connected it is, there are a lot of hands that got there on the turn and even on the river.

67, 87, 97, T7, A7, J9 even 65. The hands u were beating on the flop and are still ahead of are like T9, A9, and diamonds. He probably doesn't bet T9, or A9 on the river. A lot of opponents won't bet missed draws.

So, I think this is a fold.