STTF SNG->cash thread

[wiggs73]

bhokie,

i'd rather fold than 4bet pre. i'd call the flop.

[DevinLake]

First I just want to say, AJo sucks.

So, if I'm 4-betting AJo the villain has to have been getting out of line with 3-bets. It's rare I'll like 4-bet some one with out them having a history of loose 3-betting.

As played, there's not much of a chance of getting away from this hand as play preflop. But, it's hard to imagine him have a worse A here to still be in a 4-bet pot. So, I'm taking a passive line here and calling down. Regardless of the wetness of the board.

[microbet]

bhokie,

I messed up reading the hand. You definitely can't raise and fold. I like calling. You have time to get the money in here and should be a little patient to coax as much as you can out of JJ/QQ or something.

You 4bet AJo preflop. That is LAG overdrive. You have to really really be at war against a guy to do that. In a 4 bet pot, even at a little more than 100bbs, you should expect to get it all in the vast majority of the time.

AJo might be the worst hand to 4bet pre with, unless maybe you are against absolute crazies or in an aggro HU match.

[BHokie1]

Thanks guys -

Micro - I was pretty sure you missed the 4 bet and resulting pot size.

Playing LAGish is fun, but I need to learn when to take my foot off the gas.

[wiggs73]

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Anyone like? Villain is solid tag.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP ($509.70)
Hero ($412)
SB ($402)
BB ($499)
UTG ($423.05)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $14</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $40</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $26.

Flop: ($86) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $55</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $110</font>, Hero calls $55.

Turn: ($306) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero calls $262 (All-In)

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I did this just for you tonight Devin...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($481)
CO ($504.30)
Hero ($850.20)
SB ($292.85)
BB ($172.50)
UTG ($400)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $16</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $16, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($38) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $24</font>, Hero calls $24.

Turn: ($86) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $52</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $176</font>, UTG calls $124.

River: ($438) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $228</font>, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $438

[wiggs73]

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FD (Never see you AIM anymore bro)

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QFT.

I saw you at a couple of my 2/4 tables the other day and I tried to IM you some threatening messages but I couldn't.

[wiggs73]

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Playing LAGish is fun, but I need to learn when to take my foot off the gas.

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This is true. AJ is a bad hand to be 4betting with. Especially a 16/8, I mean that is ridic tight for 6max. He just isn't going to get out of line against you very often even if he sees you raising a lot.

[terrellk11]

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $850.50
BB: $595.00
UTG: $291.80
UTG+1: $407.40
MP1: $411.30
MP2: $499.50
CO: $530.70
BTN: $224.30

Preflop: Hero is dealt 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8 Players)
UTG calls $4.00, 2 folds, <font color="red">MP2 raises to $16.00</font>, CO calls $16.00, BTN folds, Hero calls $14.00, BB folds, <font color="red">UTG raises to $55.00</font>, MP2 calls $39.00, CO calls $39.00, Hero ?????

UTG is 28/3
MP2 is 38/11
CO is 17/6

I've only played a small amount against each and don't have much of a read (numbers are from datamined hands - about 400 hands each on average).

[wiggs73]

well, you close action and probably have super good implied odds so seems like an easy call

[bigt439]

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Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $10/$20 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $1,960.00
HERO BB: $2,000.00
UTG: $2,601.68
MP: $2,417.00
CO: $1,880.00
BTN: $1,452.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $20.00, MP calls $20.00, CO calls $20.00, BTN calls $20.00, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $100.00</font>, UTG calls $80.00, 2 folds, BTN calls $80.00

Flop: ($350) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $200.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $625.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $2,501.68</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls all-in for $1,275.00
Uncalled bet of $601.68 returned to UTG

What do you think about Hero's play?

Hero is a lag regular. Utg is 25/9 1.6/1/2.6 somewhat regular loser.

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laughably bad. (i hope you didnt play this hand [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])

the pf raise is pretty [censored]. blow it up to 140 or 150.

the flop play is lol bad. someone has a set. thats what they were limp calling pf. bet fold.