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11-04-2007, 08:14 AM
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And secondly, they are not combatants, they are bodyguards. They don't attack unless the person they are protecting is attacked. [/ QUOTE ] Not according to what I know! You know something I don't? Shame on you, Blackwater! 
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#92
11-04-2007, 08:24 AM
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Re: Blackwater in a time of peace
I just had to LOL at this:
MidGe Carpal \'Tunnel Reged: 06/21/05 Posts: 3752 Loc: Shame on you, Blackwater! He's passionate about simultaneously yelling "Shame on you, Blackwater!" while actually arguing against US Military action, not Blackwater action. Priceless.
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#93
11-04-2007, 08:51 AM
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He's passionate about simultaneously yelling "Shame on you, Blackwater!" while actually arguing against US Military action, not Blackwater action. Priceless. [/ QUOTE ] You read my posts and interpret them in the way you have been propagandized I guess. I am against the US government decision, respect the US Army because it is their legitimate job, and like many they have been misled by their leadership, and loath any terrorist organizations, including Blackwater, where people are part of it either for greed (worst, and very much the case for Blackwater pseudo-employees)) or misplaced idealism (other terrorists organizations)! That's a good summary of my position. Shame on you, Blackwater!
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#94
11-04-2007, 09:03 AM
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I just had to LOL at this: MidGe Carpal \'Tunnel Reged: 06/21/05 Posts: 3752 Loc: Shame on you, Blackwater! He's passionate about simultaneously yelling "Shame on you, Blackwater!" while actually arguing against US Military action, not Blackwater action. Priceless. [/ QUOTE ] Glad you noticed the change in my location. It only happened in the last couple of hours!!! Shame on you, Blackwater!
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#95
11-04-2007, 09:05 AM
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Re: Blackwater in a time of peace
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[ QUOTE ] He's passionate about simultaneously yelling "Shame on you, Blackwater!" while actually arguing against US Military action, not Blackwater action. Priceless. [/ QUOTE ] You read my posts and interpret them in the way you have been propagandized I guess. I am against the US government decision, respect the US Army because it is their legitimate job, and like many they have been misled by their leadership, and loath any terrorist organizations, including Blackwater, where people are part of it either for greed (worst, and very much the case for Blackwater pseudo-employees)) or misplaced idealism (other terrorists organizations)! That's a good summary of my position. [/ QUOTE ] OK, I took you off block. First off, I disagree on the use of the term "greed" but I'll allow it for the purposes of this discussion. Now, lets say greed is the motive. Greed would be the desire to earn the most amount of money possible. Most security agents, Blackwater included, are paid by the day. Wouldn't you agree/admit that not getting fired would be the "greediest" possible position? So why would these highly trained, highly specialized protection specialists do things to get them fired? I really want someone to explain to me how, if "greed" is the motive, these guys can be accused of such gross misconduct. So if greed isn't the motive, then what? They're all sadistic? That's highly inprobable. Are there sadistic agents over there? Sure, there has to be. Just like that whole "pedophile in Australia" argument. Are anywhere close to anything that could possibly represent a majority (or even a minimal portion) of the bodyguards in Iraq working cold blooded, sadistic sociopaths? No. That's just not possible. I know why they do it in my mind. They do an honest job to earn good money after sacrificing the best years of their lives for the US. I want to know why they do it in your mind. You can't have it both ways. They're either greedy, which I've addressed why that's counterintuitive, or they're sadistic, but you can't have both.
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#96
11-04-2007, 09:16 AM
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I want to know why they do it in your mind. You can't have it both ways. They're either greedy, which I've addressed why that's counterintuitive, or they're sadistic, but you can't have both. [/ QUOTE ] I am sure you are wrong when you say I can't have it both! I think you are making the two incompatible to justify your position and Blackwtaer actions. Blackwater principals and operatives (employees or pseudo-employees) are probably both greedy and sadistic and are attracted to the job like flies are to... Shame... shame on you Blackwater!
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#97
11-04-2007, 09:22 AM
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[ QUOTE ] I want to know why they do it in your mind. You can't have it both ways. They're either greedy, which I've addressed why that's counterintuitive, or they're sadistic, but you can't have both. [/ QUOTE ] I am sure you are wrong when you say I can't have it both! I think you are making the two incompatible to justify your position and Blackwtaer actions. Blackwater principals and operatives (employees or pseudo-employees) are probably both greedy and sadistic and are attracted to the job like flies are to... Shame... shame on you Blackwater! [/ QUOTE ] How can greed be the motive? A security agent earns the same pay per day whether he kills 100 people or 0, however risks losing his job for misconduct. He doesn't earn more for killing more. He could actually earn less, as he will be fired for misconduct. As for sadism, you can't possibly honestly believe that an entire organization that big could be entirely filled top to bottom with sadistic, cold blooded screeners, who refuse to clear anyone who seems to have a concious, causing every agent blackwater sends to Iraq to be equally sadistic. Thats a ludicrous and extremely unlikely position.
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#98
11-04-2007, 09:27 AM
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As for sadism, you can't possibly honestly believe that an entire organization that big could be entirely filled top to bottom with sadistic, cold blooded screeners, who refuse to clear anyone who seems to have a concious, causing every agent blackwater sends to Iraq to be equally sadistic. Thats a ludicrous and extremely unlikely position. [/ QUOTE ] Well, they are a terrorist organization, after all! And they surely don't claim to be driven by ideology! Obviously it must be a form a sadism, whether they deny it (which they don't ... LOL) or not! Shame on you Blackwater!
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#99
11-04-2007, 09:53 AM
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Re: Blackwater in a time of peace
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[ QUOTE ] As for sadism, you can't possibly honestly believe that an entire organization that big could be entirely filled top to bottom with sadistic, cold blooded screeners, who refuse to clear anyone who seems to have a concious, causing every agent blackwater sends to Iraq to be equally sadistic. Thats a ludicrous and extremely unlikely position. [/ QUOTE ] Well, they are a terrorist organization, after all! And they surely don't claim to be driven by ideology! Obviously it must be a form a sadism, whether they deny it (which they don't ... LOL) or not! Shame on you Blackwater! [/ QUOTE ] OK, I'm done. You're obviously not going to give me a reasonable, intelligent response, and you're just going to revert to screaming "TERRORIST!" "Shame on you, Blackwater" etc, so I'm through. If you can tell me why Blackwater is a terrorist organization, or why Blackwater is motivated by greed, maybe I'll respond. I'm in the middle of signing up for Blackwater's Close Quarter Defense Protective Specialist II course btw. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#100
11-04-2007, 10:26 AM
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Re: Blackwater in a time of peace
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] As for sadism, you can't possibly honestly believe that an entire organization that big could be entirely filled top to bottom with sadistic, cold blooded screeners, who refuse to clear anyone who seems to have a concious, causing every agent blackwater sends to Iraq to be equally sadistic. Thats a ludicrous and extremely unlikely position. [/ QUOTE ] Well, they are a terrorist organization, after all! And they surely don't claim to be driven by ideology! Obviously it must be a form a sadism, whether they deny it (which they don't ... LOL) or not! Shame on you Blackwater! [/ QUOTE ] OK, I'm done. You're obviously not going to give me a reasonable, intelligent response, and you're just going to revert to screaming "TERRORIST!" "Shame on you, Blackwater" etc, so I'm through. If you can tell me why Blackwater is a terrorist organization, or why Blackwater is motivated by greed, maybe I'll respond. I'm in the middle of signing up for Blackwater's Close Quarter Defense Protective Specialist II course btw. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] There are legitimate concerns about the use of private security firms. Particularly concerning their use by government entities that are "ideologically challenged". Having said that, if sent, Blackwater could shut down the genocide in Darfur in two-weeks.
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