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09-19-2007, 03:54 PM
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Re: Mother commits suicide at same spot as her only daughter
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] we make value judgements on the legitimacy of one person's grief over another, [/ QUOTE ] you seem to be the only one doing that in this thread and it's lead you to say some illogical and irrational things [/ QUOTE ] Well, that's unusual then, because in this regard I am being a typical modern media consumer. Both the news media and their readers and viewers make these kinds of judgements all the time. [/ QUOTE ] and the typical modern media consumer is illogical and irrational [/ QUOTE ] It's not enough for you to just say that. In what way is that true? Make your case. 
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#94
09-19-2007, 04:00 PM
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I am definitely prejudiced against the girl in the first story. Her immature "grief" about breaking up with some boyfriend is trivial in comparison with a mother's grief for the suicide of her only daughter..." [/ QUOTE ] So you are prejudiced against the daughter for killing herself because of the pain and suffering the act will inflict upon her parents but you find the mother's suicide "unbelivably poignant and tragic." Did you happen to read this part of the article you linked in the OP? "In the days following Natasha's disappearance, her grandparents, Peter and Wendy Clackett, also made an appeal for help to find her and offered a reward to anyone who had information. Clackett, not Coombs. AKA - the maternal grandparents. Still living. They are now left to deal with the incomprehensible pain and suffering of their own daughter's suicide on the heels of their granddaughter's suicide.
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#95
09-19-2007, 04:01 PM
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Re: Mother commits suicide at same spot as her only daughter
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It's not enough for you to just say that. In what way is that true? Make your case. [/ QUOTE ] lol @ this coming from you jimm you're just spouting random paragraphs with no sense or reason or connection or evidence or even thought
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#96
09-19-2007, 04:04 PM
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Re: Mother commits suicide at same spot as her only daughter
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[ QUOTE ] I am definitely prejudiced against the girl in the first story. Her immature "grief" about breaking up with some boyfriend is trivial in comparison with a mother's grief for the suicide of her only daughter..." [/ QUOTE ] So you are prejudiced against the daughter for killing herself because of the pain and suffering the act will inflict upon her parents but you find the mother's suicide "unbelivably poignant and tragic." Did you happen to read this part of the article you linked in the OP? "In the days following Natasha's disappearance, her grandparents, Peter and Wendy Clackett, also made an appeal for help to find her and offered a reward to anyone who had information. Clackett, not Coombs. AKA - the maternal grandparents. Still living. They are now left to deal with the incomprehensible pain and suffering of their own daughter's suicide on the heels of their granddaughter's suicide. [/ QUOTE ] And if Grandma was to kill herself, it would be unbelievably tragic and poignant x 100!!! There is something uniquely sad, though, when teenagers kill themselves, their lives unlived. And when it's a parent's only child, even more so.
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#97
09-19-2007, 04:04 PM
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Both the news media and their readers and viewers make these kinds of judgements all the time. [/ QUOTE ] Do they really? And? Even if we assume this is true, what is it supposed to be evidence of? Following along with the majority doesn't make an argument a good one by default.
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#98
09-19-2007, 04:07 PM
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Eh? Unless you are terminally ill / held hostage by sadistic torturers, why can't ANYONE's life improve in some way? [/ QUOTE ] I like that you refute your own statement for me. "Anyone's" life can improve... unless they are in these categories where they can't improve. So, now that you are admitting it's possible to be stuck in a spot where improvement is highly unlikely or impossible, can we agree some people might choose non-life over life for a good reason?
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#99
09-19-2007, 04:12 PM
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Re: Mother commits suicide at same spot as her only daughter
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] we make value judgements on the legitimacy of one person's grief over another, [/ QUOTE ] you seem to be the only one doing that in this thread and it's lead you to say some illogical and irrational things [/ QUOTE ] Well, that's unusual then, because in this regard I am being a typical modern media consumer. Both the news media and their readers and viewers make these kinds of judgements all the time. [/ QUOTE ] and the typical modern media consumer is illogical and irrational [/ QUOTE ] It's not enough for you to just say that. In what way is that true? Make your case. [/ QUOTE ] It'll probably get posted about the same time as your case for why being love-sick was the only problem this girl had.
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#100
09-19-2007, 04:13 PM
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There is something uniquely sad, though, when teenagers kill themselves, their lives unlived. [/ QUOTE ] You keep coming back to this, but you don't provide any reason for it to be true other than an empty emotional appeal. If even *one* of these teenagers was going to end up living an utterly miserable life, who are we to say their life going unlived is sad? The "tragedy" in young people committing suicide as I see it is that they are more likely to be fueled by irrational emotional states that maturity and experience would have helped them out of.
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