My Money is Gone in Full Tilt

[george w]

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I have used all of the products you mention and they are all bad. Try logging into a porn site and see how many trojans they stop (only snoopfree is ok in fact but it doesn't protect from much).

But hey, it's your money, if you want to be cheap on security, be my guest... only, don't come whinning to the forums when your money is gone.

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dude, i will so own you in any internet contest you can come up with. i dont' even care.

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you guys convinced me to take out most/if not all of my money from the site. i hate having to leave adequate rolls split on two sites so since this garbage is happening so much more on full tilt....i've decided to stick with my other site til real security measures are implemented

[MrBrightside]

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One piece of advice to all of you that have free antivirus, firewalls, etc...

FREE = BAD. You want to protect thousands of dollars on the poker sites and you can't offer $50 a year to buy a proper antivirus software?

Sorry to say, but you're asking to be hacked.


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this isn't necessarily true. i'll give you an example. windows = expensive. linux = free. linux security >>>> windows security.

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Right. I've used AVG for years. It's great, and low resource.

I run: AVG
and I run an ad-aware and Spybot Search and Destroy scans regularly for spyware.

That being said, I'm a low roller. If I ever have more than $2k online in a site, I will get a dedicated laptop. It will be locked down pretty tight and will have zero stuff isntalled that isn't necessary to play poker. You won't even be able to surf the net with it.

Edit; I just read this whole thread and realized that the FREE=BAD guy is an idiot.

cliff notes: There is a difference between anti-virus and antispyware. Make sure you are protected from BOTH. Many commercial products (Norton, etc) protect from both, so thus the confusion. If you run AVG, you also need to run a spyware program.

All the guys I work with, who are computer programmers, run these free apps. Why? Becuse the commercial ones suck donkey balls. The run so much crap that they slow your computer down as much as the spyware.

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A obv solution would be to not allow someone to login in to your account from another [censored] state/country than the one listed in your account!

[JayA]

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A obv solution would be to not allow someone to login in to your account from another [censored] state/country than the one listed in your account!

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O rly. If Person A from State A hacks Person B from State B and proceeds to log in to B's account, how is B supposed to know, better yet stop, A?

[Thythe]

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A obv solution would be to not allow someone to login in to your account from another [censored] state/country than the one listed in your account!

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O rly. If Person A from State A hacks Person B from State B and proceeds to log in to B's account, how is B supposed to know, better yet stop, A?

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He probably means the site shouldn't allow it.

[train.]

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WHY can't I have the option to "don't allow logging-in from any computer other than my own"?

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Amen.

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I have a solution for your problem: NEVER log out!

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I like this idea. Then we'd get to hear even more stories like the one where a guy's girlfriend busto'd his account because she thought it was play money.

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Use a screensaver with a password! Also put a shortcut on your desktop to activate the screensaver and always click that when you leave. If you do that and never log out you have a failure-proof system. (Also use good antivirus/trojan/spyware/firewall software at all times! (Also keep Windows updated and don't use illegal software to be as safe as possible.)

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It's been posted in another of these threads that if you try to log in from another computer while logged in from your primary computer that you will automatically be logged out from the primary and then be able to log in from the secondary.

[sellthekids]

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you guys convinced me to take out most/if not all of my money from the site. i hate having to leave adequate rolls split on two sites so since this garbage is happening so much more on full tilt....i've decided to stick with my other site til real security measures are implemented

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here is the problem with this thread and its ilk: unsubstantiated, knee-jerk reactions end up punishing the business, when the proof and causes of said issue will probably never be know.

as a former software engineer and now a business owner, i can tell you from experience that it is much more likely that the end user is responsible for this problem, than the business. already mentioned has been malware, spyware, etc. also not mentioned could be "bonus" site scams, rakeback scams etc. either way, i highly doubt that FTP has a black hat mole working to compromise accounts for < $400 a pop.

i have seen some suggestions about security measures, i.e. IP checking, MAC checking, resident state checking, etc. all of those will not work for a vast majority of people for a vast majority of reasons. if you want to see how difficult it is to "validate" users and product, look no further that Microsoft and their attempt to validate copies of Windows. MS's last crappy implementation was to take a snapshot of the host PC setup. installing/re-installing windows when the hardware has changed (new HDD, new vid card, etc) required a call to MS support to have authentication. i had this happen to me about 2 years ago and it sucked to have to call to verify that i was in fact the sole owner and proper user of my OS.

ultimately, the best fix is user education and user-enforced security. security suites from reputatible manufacturers work some of the time, but are not a panacea. do other's use your computer? then that makes it less safe. do you use non-verified "money making" tools? rakeback etc can be dangerous. do you often install new software? chat programs, free internet games, etc can be dangerous.

sadly, the best way to ensure security is to have a lockdown on your PC and its use. i NEVER play poker from work stations at my business. i can't verify what programs my employees may have installed. sure, we run security software enterpise-wide, but the ONLY real way to feel safe is to KNOW what has been done on your PC. the PC in my home office is security passworded, has multiple software systems to verify safe use, and undergoes monthly checks for being compromised. sounds like a lot of work...but then again, in 15+ years of internet use, i have NEVER had a loss of my money or personal data.

the old adage is true: the best offense is a good defense.

OP, sorry to hear about your loss. if you are a non-techie, i would take your PC to a trusted, reputable IT shop, have is scanned, cleaned, and reset for use. i would change all your passwords, making sure to use "strong" password security. and although you didn't mention it, if you are using any rakeback, bonus site crap, eliminate it. just another spot to get scammed.

gl!

[DWarrior]

Also, what are you guys downloading that gets you trojans? The only known bad software I have is BearShare, and I just end up getting occasional popups from FireFox.

As for virus scanners, is Norton a good option?

Also, Microbob's idea of only logging in from one computer is really good, I think we should lobby for it. I think it can be the next trend in poker software.

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either way, i highly doubt that FTP has a black hat mole working to compromise accounts for < $400 a pop.

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But see, that's the genius of it.

[_dave_]

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MS's last crappy implementation was to take a snapshot of the host PC setup. installing/re-installing windows when the hardware has changed (new HDD, new vid card, etc) required a call to MS support to have authentication. i had this happen to me about 2 years ago and it sucked to have to call to verify that i was in fact the sole owner and proper user of my OS


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Yet this would be awesome in a poker site.

I would love it if when I attempted to access my account from a non-validated computer, the account was frozen and I had to answer some security questions on the telephone to get it working again / validate my new computer.

There is a big difference between using hardware validation techniques to protect a company than to protect the customer.