Small stakes, live tipping advice?

[Brokeski]

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Brokeski, you're most likely the biggest 3/6 baller in the world.

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[Gonso]

Leykis, people are going tip what they are comfortable with whether you approve or not. Then you go into nonsense like this:

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To me this is not a personal issue, it’s a moral one. The moral necessity for someone to earn what the keep is something I consider to be among the highest virtues of man.

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LOL. Sorry I didn't know... lol. I wasn't taking you that seriously before, but after comments like these... do you know Splawndarts?

[Gonso]

To everyone else, some of what was being said got lost in the fireworks a little in this thread (partly my fault for wasting time responding to nonsense, sorry).

Pretty much everyone who posted tips in a fashion that any normal dealer would certainly appreciate. Over-tipping isn't necessary or expected at all, and with big pots whatever you feel comfortable with. Some people don't tip at all on any size pot, so someone throwing a single white cheque is still welcome. They do add up.

That said I'll stiff an obnoxious dealer and I don't like people hustling for tokes either. If it's a $400 pot and you get $1, hey... some people tip differently. You still thank them the same way as you would a $3 toke... that's like Dealer 101.

[Photoc]

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The players pay the majority portion of your salary, and are in direct control over what you get paid. We do not pay the card room/casino, and then let them distribute the money as salary to the dealers. So given that you “answer to casino management”, how about we give one dollar out of every pot dealt to casino management and then they can distribute the money to the dealers as they see fit. Do you think they would be as generous. No, they would run some numbers. 1 table, 30 hands per hour is $30/hr. They already pay the dealers $4-6/hr so they would now decide whether the dealers should be paid $35/hr ($72800/year)

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You really do have no clue what you're talking about do you.

No dealer deals 8 hours per day at $35/hour. Most dealers if they are lucky get to put in 5 hours at the tables actively dealing. Add in dead spreads, up and downs, double breaks, tournaments, ect.. and the figure and hours dealt are much less. I average 28/hours per week in 2006 because of my shift and it being slow at early times in the day. Out of that, I may have averaged 18-20 hours a week in active dealing of games. This is a fairly steady room in Vegas.

And wtf do you care what someone makes for a living? Personally, everyone on here puts in wayyy to much time and effort into coming up with this insane numbers and you must have no life if this topic is absolutely consuming you as it is.

As I've said before, play the game, tip what you want and leave it at that. It's your chips, do what you want with them. You have no right to tell other people or even criticize what somoene does with their own $.

Again, tip what you want, don't tip if you don't want to. No one really cares to be honest with you other than the other nits that like to sit around on internet message boards and scream bloody murder about their bottom line, at low limit poker, nonetheless (considering that is what this thread was originally about until you guys derailed it yet again and turned it into yet another dealer flame/hating war.)

[leykis]

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LOL. Sorry I didn't know... lol. I wasn't taking you that seriously before

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It's ok, no apology was necessary.

[leykis]

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you must have no life if this topic is absolutely consuming you as it is.


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Alas, you're right. I have no life. I spend all of my time here posting and posting.

By the way, congratulations on your 6506th post.

[Jerry D]

If you are playing LOW LIMITS then why not just get a roll of quarters and tip a quarter each pot you win? That should be fine for low limit balling.

[Gonso]

Regarding what dealers earn, here are some actual numbers:

I checked up the toke rates in Atlantic City with a couple other houses. Of the 11 casinos in the city, at least three of them had toke rates under $16 per hour this week, the lowest being $15.49 per hour. This reflects the lower end. Caesars and the Borgata are at the top and they fare much better, well into the twenties, maybe thirties at Borgata, but they ask for a lot of experience there.

In our house (a 'middle' house in terms of toke rate), poker dealers keep their own tokes and don't pool in with the table games, and I compared with two other fairly experienced dealers on the way out. We averaged out to around $19/hr each + base tonight, which is around normal for us (we fare a little better than our table games). Two of us left 1 hour and one person 2 hours early (as business slows down this happens a lot), so on average a little over 6 and a half hours out of 8. All this is pretty standard and normal to our industry.

Now based on all of that, you can see how people spouting that typical dealers make $35-$50 hour don't have any idea what they're talking about, and their error is even greater when they prorate that rate it over 40 hour weeks.

A few dealers do well (or even exceptionally well), but they tend to deal higher limit games - which are relative rarity in AC.

[Gonso]

[Cliff notes for above]

leykis thinks this is standard for what a dealer earns:
$35/hr + $5/hr base * 8 hr day = $312/day

my standard numbers in a middle of the road AC house:
$19/hr + $5/hr base * 7 hr day = $168/day

Maybe next time this thread comes up leykis will have some idea as to what he's talking about. Good luck in your weirdo moral crusade against dealers. Everyone else see you at the tables & thanks

[leykis]

Earlier this week:


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I'd settle for $30/hour

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Today:

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my standard numbers in a middle of the road AC house:
$19/hr + $5/hr base * 7 hr day = $168/day


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I know its eaisier to support your argument if you are allowed to change your mind on the facts whenever it helps your argument, but please try not to do it in the same thread. It just makes it too easy.

Dealers in California blow away your numbers.

If your numbers were correct, you would be in strong favor of the house raking 1 dollar a pot and distributing the money to the dealers.

This would keep the fish from giving away a ton of money to the dealers and keep it in play so it can go where it belongs. In my pocket.