NBA top 40- Bill Simmons style

[Jack of Arcades]

Note that Chris Paul plays on one of the slowest offenses in the league - they get 89 possessions per game. Bibby got an extra two possessions per game and played 2 more minutes per game. Despite this advantage, Chris Paul leads Mike Bibby in every single counting category - including rebounds, turnovers, and fouls.

PER, which adjusts for team pace and league stats, says Chris Paul's last two seasons have indeed been better than anything Bibby's ever done.

A better comparison would be Kidd, or Stephon Marbury.

[Green Kool Aid]

Everyone debating Chris Paul v Mike Bibby should check out the Oden v Hibbert thread!!!!

[BobboFitos]

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but he could also turn into a mid-level serviceable PG like Bibby.

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paul is better then bib but... bibby is def more then mid level service, if the west wasnt so strong in pgs (deron, paul, baron, parker, nash, ~cassell) hed be an all star.

[Jack of Arcades]

you forgot AI. Add in Gilbert, Chauncey, and Jason Kidd and Bibby is at least, what, 11th? He's about an average PG right now.

[capone0]

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you forgot AI. Add in Gilbert, Chauncey, and Jason Kidd and Bibby is at least, what, 11th? He's about an average PG right now.

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You do realize he put in all western PGs right?

[Jack of Arcades]

I'm aware. That's why I separated AI from Gilbert, Chauncey, and Kidd. I find it weird that you have to say, well, if there weren't 8 PGs better than him, he'd be an All-Star! There's a few east pgs better than him, too, and you could argue for other PGs (Barbosa? T.J. CaldeFord? Kirk Hinrich?) Oh, he also forgot Jason Terry.

[BobboFitos]

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you forgot AI. Add in Gilbert, Chauncey, and Jason Kidd and Bibby is at least, what, 11th? He's about an average PG right now.

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I meant in terms of west, but yah..

[BobboFitos]

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I'm aware. That's why I separated AI from Gilbert, Chauncey, and Kidd. I find it weird that you have to say, well, if there weren't 8 PGs better than him, he'd be an All-Star! There's a few east pgs better than him, too, and you could argue for other PGs (Barbosa? T.J. CaldeFord? Kirk Hinrich?) Oh, he also forgot Jason Terry.

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terry plays the 2
and yeah, you're absolutely right, saying "waa waa too many good players prevent him from being an all star!"
I guess I overvalue him, I just like bibby quite a bit and feel he's a >average player.

[kidcolin]

I'm a big Bibby fan but he's degraded a bit. But if we're talking 24-26 year old Bibby, then yeah, he was All-Star caliber. Of our current crop of players, he's the best to have never made an All Star team.

[Eagles]

Bogut should not be on the list he's getting like 12 and 9 but he's 22 and I don't think he has the upside a lot of other guys do.

Paul>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>> Bibby