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#91
09-01-2005, 08:40 AM
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Look again. There was a lot of news released that day. It's there. PokerRoom.com Meet Them and Beat Them [/ QUOTE ] No, no it is not. [ QUOTE ] * Turbo SnGs launched * More Guaranteed Tournaments * New high stakes limits * New Omaha Limits * Let It Ride $40,000 payout * Changes to the Grand Prix Tournament * PokerRoom.com awarded Advertisement of the Year Award * Three new SnGs added * SnG qualifiers available for Grand IV * Mobile poker for more phones [/ QUOTE ] That is the news. 
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#92
09-01-2005, 09:26 AM
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I can't believe you guys are giving the Pokerroom.com guy such a hard time. He made a very reasonable post concerning the rake changes, along with plans to make corrections where needed. How many other poker sites are going to do something like this, much less even acknowledge the complaints? Pokerroom has consistently handled PR and customer service at a level few other sites manitain (Stars, for example). Keep up the good work. [/ QUOTE ]
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#93
09-01-2005, 09:42 AM
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Pokerroom has consistently handled PR and customer service at a level few other sites manitain (Stars, for example). Keep up the good work. [/ QUOTE ] Pokerroom show some sense by attempting to have some good PR in the field. The other sites do not do this, that makes them fools, it doesn't make Pokerroom great. Pokerroom's support may be better than their competitors, I'm not certain. It is still not that good though. The first layer of phone support are just monkeys who know very little, in addition sensible emails don't get answered for 24 hours sometimes. My last ~$5k cashout took three weeks, and I had much fun contacting support and not being answered promptly about what the delay was. A delay is understandable, a total lack of explanation regarding said delay is not. Despite this I may conceed the point that their support is "good" vs the competition, but it still doesn't warrant this horrible rake change. I couldn't believe how much was being taken from every little pot in the short handed games. It's pretty obvious this change hasn't been dreamt up to benefit us IMO.
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#94
09-01-2005, 10:29 AM
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As a theoretical example I'd like to address those who just flat out state that "You can NEVER rake a pot up to 10%" Well, for the sake of argumentation, why not? PokerRoom.com Meet Them and Beat Them [/ QUOTE ] What an arogant comment. I think that this shows a fundamental lack of business sense. Lets extend this same logic for some other companies: - Why can't Ford Charge $100,000 for an F-150? - Why can't Maytag charge $10,000 for a basic fridge? - Why can't Walmart triple its prices on all its products? The answer quite simply is they CAN! HOWEVER, NO ONE WILL BUY THEM!!!! Using the PokerRoom logic, why not charge a flat 25% rake, they can.... Heck, why not make a reverse bonus while they are at it, for every $100 you deposit, they are going to take $20 off the top, and only $80 will go into your account. Now that would make them a TON of $$$. The new rakeback and associated commentary that I have seen reeks of arrogance. In a industry that is experiencing Hyper-competition, it is suicide (unless they have the bankroll to ride out the industry stabilization period with the goal of 'reentering the competition' at a later date). The problem is, there are few to no barriers to entry in this industry, so it will never be the case where 10% rakeback becomes the norm, if anything it will go lower than the current 5%. The only other way to look at this is to think that PokerRoom is doing this to get rid of the Small Stake sharks, people that would actually care about rake. They may think that their games are better off without the 2+2 crowd on there, or the people that multitable. To be honest I don't think that many of their 0.25/0.50 players have any clue what they are paying in rake and will not notice or care. I don't know if this is a viable approach on their part. As a side note, the old bonus structure and rakeback (I had RB set up at Bet on Bet, still had their site making money on me when clearing a bonus (i.e. Rake > Bonus + Rakeback). Margon <-- has both a PokerRoom and BetonBet account, which will never be played on again.
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#96
09-03-2005, 07:23 AM
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fixed your post [ QUOTE ] Hi all, Just a few clarifications regarding the recently updated PokerRoom.com rake structure. But first of all I hope that all of you bear in mind that basing the rake on Big Blinds instead of Pot Size is an entirely new system designed to maximize the percentage of rake paid by players of various levels. We believe doing so is very profitable. However, as an entirely new system we may need to be slightly less greedy to keep our customers. 1. The new rake structure tables have been available since yesterday. A link to the new structure was also posted in our news section yesterday. 2. We still incorporate a No Flop No Drop policy. Naturally. The tables will be updated to clarify that. 3. The overall drop in player points received is an effect we hoped you would not notice, which was obvious without any analysis at all! The Player Points system will therefore undergo an overhaul to adjust to the new structure and distribute more points. 4. Certainly games on most levels will now have to pay a significantly higher rake than before, but do notice some others will pay somewhat less. All heads-up games as well as high-stakes limit games are obvious examples of this. 5. The new, more dramatic cut-off point in paid rake can unfortunately lead to many pots being raked around 9-10%. Examples: Limit 5-10 players 1/2 LEVEL Pot size $11 total rake $0.40 Pot size $12 total rake $1 Pot size $29 total rake $1 2/4 LEVEL Pot size $23 total rake $0.80 Pot size $24 total rake $2 Pot size $48 total rake $2 Finally we do appreciate all of the feedback and comments received from all you 2+2 users. Nothing beats hearing first-hand what the players themselves have to say. C u at the tables! PokerRoom.com Meet Them and Beat Them [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] nh
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#98
09-03-2005, 08:14 AM
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In all fairness please read through what I actually wrote before replying to this thread. We can handle the critisism and will deal with it. But for that to work you got to keep it constructive. The comparisons that some of you have been undertaking are good. Trying to state that we admitted to having raised the rake for everybody and purpously screwed the bonus system is just a silly lie. It's brand new way of approaching rake. As such, it might need some refining. As a theoretical example I'd like to address those who just flat out state that "You can NEVER rake a pot up to 10%" Well, for the sake of argumentation, why not? What if all the other pots, because of it, where raked far less? Before bagging a system altogether on pure reflex maybe it deserves a second thought. As a system. PokerRoom.com Meet Them and Beat Them [/ QUOTE ] You have raised the rake for the vast majority of players. And for low limit players the bonus have become unclearable. For 2/4 players the game has become close to unbeatable. Stop pretending that everything is an unfortunate side effect of your good natured rake tweaking. Frankly it makes you look like idiots. It's not a brand new way of approaching rake. Greed has make people raise it before, you know.
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#99
09-03-2005, 06:55 PM
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Re: Pokerroom boycott!
For anyone who is trying to say that PR has decent support I would ask you to try sending them an email or calling them.
PR mouthpieces will talk a good game but almost never do they actually deliver on it. Most of their talk reminds me of politicians who never really say anything. I like how they didn't notice in their testing how this would affect player points. You would naturally think that is an area that would have been looked at.
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#100
09-03-2005, 08:15 PM
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Well, for the sake of argumentation, why not? What if all the other pots, because of it, where raked far less? Before bagging a system altogether on pure reflex maybe it deserves a second thought. As a system. [/ QUOTE ] At $2/$4 The system is only favorable in pots of $20-$23, and $50+ Unfavorable to others at $8-$20, $24-40. There are alot more pots in the second range. Further, I have run analysis and your site at this level has been in dead last each and every time.
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