Harry Demetrieu Escorted Out of tournament?? - Page 10

ohkanada · #91 07-17-2006, 09:37 AM

I agree what was done was terrible, but with 600 players, the ultimate winner will need to win 2 10 handed tables and 1 6 handed table. It is not possible to have each of the tables 10 handed unless there is 1000 players. So the question is when do you play it 6 handed.

Certainly sounds like Harrahs did not think through all the possibilities but they should have documented when the short handed table was going to be played.

Ken

OneBigRed · #92 07-17-2006, 10:14 AM

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DN has a pretty big rant about it in his video blog.

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Yeah, he seemed really furious. I guess he was serious about going to the gaming comission about this, and not playing any other events besides ME, if his buy in isn't refunded.

Hrkac · #93 07-17-2006, 11:13 AM

This isn't really the main issue here, but i've played more than a few shootouts on Stars where they start the first table short when they don't meet the cap. So saying that this is the first case in poker history of starting a shootout with short tables isn't true. But really I'm more interested in knowing why the tournament was capped at exactly 600. Was there a waiting list until it got to 700 for 7-handed tables or was there just a huge mistake? The floor's statement that they would be playing 10-handed seems to suggest the latter.

dalerobk · #94 07-17-2006, 11:18 AM

I've watched DN's video blog. I think he has a right to be upset, along with everyone else. I've never played in a shootout, but I've seen a couple--both at the Commerce at the LAPC. From what I've seen, they always start out as full tables.

It seems, however, that the biggest problem is simply that the organizers of the WSOP simply did not have a clear and exact plan for the tournament themselves. Apparently (from DN's video blog) nothing ever stated that it would start 6 handed or 10 handed for that matter, simply that there would be a max of 11 players to a table. Now since no one has ever seen a 6-handed shootout, the players assumed that it would be a full table. So it seems like the WSOP didn't do a good job at thinking the event through and being entirely clear on the event. If you leave something vague and then go against common protocol, I think the players have a right to be angry.

Bottom line: every event and its structure should be written down precisely before anyone pays one penny to enter it. That was apparently not the case in this event.

gilbert · #95 07-17-2006, 11:27 AM

These wsop threads make me glad I don't play tournaments.

psandman · #96 07-17-2006, 11:35 AM

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This isn't really the main issue here, but i've played more than a few shootouts on Stars where they start the first table short when they don't meet the cap. So saying that this is the first case in poker history of starting a shootout with short tables isn't true. But really I'm more interested in knowing why the tournament was capped at exactly 600. Was there a waiting list until it got to 700 for 7-handed tables or was there just a huge mistake? The floor's statement that they would be playing 10-handed seems to suggest the latter.

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Full Tilt Global challenge ($5,000 buy in shootout last Dec.) was 6 & 7 handed.

train. · #97 07-17-2006, 11:39 AM

I should probably keep my trap shut because I'm certain I probably don't know enough to comment.....but....

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Me: I challenge you to find a single Shootout tournament that was ever done this way. I have played 100’s of Shootouts online, I have played Shootouts at the Bike and Commerce as well as the WSOP, never has a Shootout been done like this.

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The only shootout tourneys I am familiar with are the $11 Double Shootouts on Stars. They are (max) 64 player 8 table satellites to the Sunday tourney. If less than the maximum number of players register some or all or the 8 tables start less than full.

I don't see how this tourney should have been any different. I think Harrah's screw up was is starting the tourney with the dead stacks still in play. If the dead stacks had been removed and then play started everyone would have known what was going on from the start.

betgo · #98 07-17-2006, 11:41 AM

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This isn't really the main issue here, but i've played more than a few shootouts on Stars where they start the first table short when they don't meet the cap. So saying that this is the first case in poker history of starting a shootout with short tables isn't true. But really I'm more interested in knowing why the tournament was capped at exactly 600. Was there a waiting list until it got to 700 for 7-handed tables or was there just a huge mistake? The floor's statement that they would be playing 10-handed seems to suggest the latter.

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Full Tilt Global challenge ($5,000 buy in shootout last Dec.) was 6 & 7 handed.

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The Poker Stars shootouts start with short handed tables if they don't fill up and have full tables for the final table. The standard for online seems to be the opposite of for live.

RoundTower · #99 07-17-2006, 11:59 AM

I've played countless of those double shootout satellites on stars where the first table starts with 4 or 5 or 6 players, although they allow up to 81/64 and the FT is inevitably 9/8 handed. So yeah, "first case in poker history of starting a shootout with short tables" doesn't quite cut it, but it's probably in the first 10,000 or so.

psandman · #**100** 07-17-2006, 12:24 PM

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This isn't really the main issue here, but i've played more than a few shootouts on Stars where they start the first table short when they don't meet the cap. So saying that this is the first case in poker history of starting a shootout with short tables isn't true. But really I'm more interested in knowing why the tournament was capped at exactly 600. Was there a waiting list until it got to 700 for 7-handed tables or was there just a huge mistake? The floor's statement that they would be playing 10-handed seems to suggest the latter.

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Full Tilt Global challenge ($5,000 buy in shootout last Dec.) was 6 & 7 handed.

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The Poker Stars shootouts start with short handed tables if they don't fill up and have full tables for the final table. The standard for online seems to be the opposite of for live.

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Actually the Full tilt Globahallenge was a live tournament. And Daniel Negraneau played in it, so don't know why in his video blog he is swearing that there has never been a short handed shoot-out.