STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!1!!1 - Page 10

tom10167 · #91 02-15-2006, 05:27 AM

^How do you have so many posts and know absolutely nothing about anything?

jman220 · #92 02-15-2006, 12:54 PM

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^How do you have so many posts and know absolutely nothing about anything?

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How about you refute my argument instead of making a blanket accusation that does not disprove the facts I state in my post? Honestly, morans.

T.J. Combo · #93 02-15-2006, 04:12 PM

I've seen more people go broke on AK than any other hand, mainly because they think it's a made hand like AA or KK. Even after it misses on the flop, they'll hang in there praying to make a pair.

AK vs. KK is a 3 outer though. Kinda like bringing a knife to a gunfight. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] If the flop is Q, J, 10, you're sitting pretty. Or if it's suited and you hit your flush on the flop, you're sitting pretty. If someone raises over 10X the BB and you think they're holding KK when you have A,K. . . it's a great play to fold that sucker. It's nicknamed Big Slick because it slips so easily into the muck. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Don't get me wrong, AK is a great hand, I'll play it every time, at least to the flop, but if it misses the flop, you need to toss it IMMEDIATELY.

T.J. Combo · #94 02-15-2006, 04:24 PM

P.S.

Pocket pairs vs. Overcards is a case of realistically vs. Potentially.

Realistically: KK holder has a pair of kings.
Potentially: KK holder has four of a kind, kings.

Realistically: A,K suited holder has high card ace, king kicker.
Potentially: AK suited holder has a royal flush.

Realistically, you win way more hands with a pair of kings than with high card ace, king kicker. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Potentially: OMG AKs IS SUCH grEAT hand morans

jman220 · #95 02-15-2006, 11:30 PM

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I've seen more people go broke on AK than any other hand, mainly because they think it's a made hand like AA or KK. Even after it misses on the flop, they'll hang in there praying to make a pair.

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Even if it misses the flop its got 6 outs versus a pocket pair's 3 outs. The hand with more outs is the better hand.

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AK vs. KK is a 3 outer though.

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KK is dominated, its sharing one of its outs with the AK, AK has 3 outs, KK only has 1!

ChuckyB · #96 02-16-2006, 01:26 AM

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Petriv's Holdem Odds Book

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Your problem is that you are reading crap like this. Read a 2+2 book and maybe you can understand my math, moran.

I recommend this one:

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Beyond awesome!

adamburley · #97 02-16-2006, 03:09 PM

reading this thread is two minutes of my life i will never get back.

GAL · #98 02-16-2006, 04:54 PM

jman, are you saying AK when it misses the flop is fav over a PP? NO ITS NOT. True the AK has 6 outs but the PP has 2 outs to make trips and 9 outs (pairing any of the flop cards) to make 2 pair. Thats 12 outs against the AKs 6 outs, 12/6=2 so the PP is 2/1 fav but since there are 2 cards to come 2/2=1 its even money. Hence the phrase coinflip for PPs vs AK.

jman220 · #99 02-16-2006, 05:22 PM

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jman, are you saying AK when it misses the flop is fav over a PP? NO ITS NOT. True the AK has 6 outs but the PP has 2 outs to make trips and 9 outs (pairing any of the flop cards) to make 2 pair. Thats 12 outs against the AKs 6 outs, 12/6=2 so the PP is 2/1 fav but since there are 2 cards to come 2/2=1 its even money. Hence the phrase coinflip for PPs vs AK.

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The "coinflip" is a common misconception. First, the "9 outs" you refer to to "pair any of the flop cards" exists for the overcards too, so those can't be addressed here. Its very simple, the better hand in poker is the one with more outs. Clearly, AK has more outs than QQ, therefoer AK is a strong favorte 6 outs versus 2 outs is a 3:1 favorite. Stop overplaying your pocket pairs moran!

2+2 wannabe · #**100** 02-16-2006, 05:37 PM

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jman, are you saying AK when it misses the flop is fav over a PP? NO ITS NOT. True the AK has 6 outs but the PP has 2 outs to make trips and 9 outs (pairing any of the flop cards) to make 2 pair. Thats 12 outs against the AKs 6 outs, 12/6=2 so the PP is 2/1 fav but since there are 2 cards to come 2/2=1 its even money. Hence the phrase coinflip for PPs vs AK.

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The "coinflip" is a common misconception. First, the "9 outs" you refer to to "pair any of the flop cards" exists for the overcards too, so those can't be addressed here. Its very simple, the better hand in poker is the one with more outs. Clearly, AK has more outs than QQ, therefoer AK is a strong favorte 6 outs versus 2 outs is a 3:1 favorite. Stop overplaying your pocket pairs moran!

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jman - did you ever address the fact that, since the flop has 3 cards, they have 18 outs (3*6 outs) to counterfeit the pair, thus giving AK EVEN MORE OUTS!!! not to mention quads on the board!

it's a wonder AK is only a 3:1 favourite