Deep KK faces massive overbet flop push...

[aislephive]

Ah [censored], I didn't even look at the preflop action. I figured OP raised, bet the flop, and some guy shoved 200bbs in. Not sure why I didn't bother to look till now. Probably because I just woke up and played donkaments all day yesterday (bubbled 2 of the 3 I played, kill me plz). Anyways, seeing that it's a reraised pot (albeit not a normal one given villain minraised) and a blind battle I'd definitely call this. I do expect to be behind a decent amount but we're definitely good enough to call here.

[4_2_it]

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4_2_it,

are you suggesting 55/12/x idiots think things like 'if i want to bluff him here i have to make it 100bb instead of shove because he is a good player and he knows that if he calls he might face an allin on the turn, so he'll fold most hands'

seems like giving him too much credit imho, or did i not understand you correctly?

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What I am saying is that since he pushed and didn't bet something like 100bbs that he is not a very tricky or creative player and without a read I tend to believe he has what he is trying to rep a very high % of the time.

[TwistedEcho]

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FWIW I've asked 2 mid/high stakes player and both think its relative easy fold.

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I have no clue who you know, but im staying w/ tjbentham and born2dogbaby right now (both big winning 5/10 and 10/20 players) and both want to know how this is anything but ''mouse hovering over the call button instacall'

So yeah, don't fold here kids if you like money!

[Warteen]

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Also warteen, lets set up a sidebet on winrate or sth for october, i'll be willing to bet up to your bankroll.

And i promise i'll keep calling off 200bb in spots like this!!

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Meh, I didn't make my bankroll by taking risky sidebets. But I'd be more than willing to play against you. I'm MrWarranty on WPX and currently playing 100 NL there. Make a deposit and let's party.

[TwistedEcho]

Dealt to TwistedEcho [Ks Kc]
TheLife: folds
TwistedEcho: raises $6 to $8
djj6835: folds
billyzzz: raises $18 to $26
djj6835 is sitting out
Pushbot1000: folds
TwistedEcho: raises $44 to $70
billyzzz: raises $44 to $114
TwistedEcho: raises $223.20 to $337.20 and is all-in
billyzzz: calls $223.20
*** FLOP *** [Td 5d 8h]
*** TURN *** [Td 5d 8h] [6s]
dest- has returned
*** RIVER *** [Td 5d 8h 6s] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
billyzzz: shows [5s 3s] (a pair of Fives)
TwistedEcho: shows [Ks Kc] (a pair of Kings)
TwistedEcho collected $674.40 from pot

people do retarded stuff yo, don't give them credit for a hand until you know they aren't retarded. You'd defff be best off assuming all randoms suck, than giving them too much credit.

[Tooty816]

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Dealt to TwistedEcho [Ks Kc]
TheLife: folds
TwistedEcho: raises $6 to $8
djj6835: folds
billyzzz: raises $18 to $26
djj6835 is sitting out
Pushbot1000: folds
TwistedEcho: raises $44 to $70
billyzzz: raises $44 to $114
TwistedEcho: raises $223.20 to $337.20 and is all-in
billyzzz: calls $223.20
*** FLOP *** [Td 5d 8h]
*** TURN *** [Td 5d 8h] [6s]
dest- has returned
*** RIVER *** [Td 5d 8h 6s] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
billyzzz: shows [5s 3s] (a pair of Fives)
TwistedEcho: shows [Ks Kc] (a pair of Kings)
TwistedEcho collected $674.40 from pot

people do retarded stuff yo, don't give them credit for a hand until you know they aren't retarded. You'd defff be best off assuming all randoms suck, than giving them too much credit.

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This is not the same as the OP's situation. Here we're getting it in with the 2nd nuts. In the OP's situation, we don't know if we're way behind or way ahead. If we have the 2nd nuts on the flop, our situation would be way easier.

[sh58]

i would probably fold this when this deep if you have not seen it before. i would also 3bet bigger because you are deep

[El_Hombre_Grande]

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Dealt to TwistedEcho [Ks Kc]
TheLife: folds
TwistedEcho: raises $6 to $8
djj6835: folds
billyzzz: raises $18 to $26
djj6835 is sitting out
Pushbot1000: folds
TwistedEcho: raises $44 to $70
billyzzz: raises $44 to $114
TwistedEcho: raises $223.20 to $337.20 and is all-in
billyzzz: calls $223.20
*** FLOP *** [Td 5d 8h]
*** TURN *** [Td 5d 8h] [6s]
dest- has returned
*** RIVER *** [Td 5d 8h 6s] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
billyzzz: shows [5s 3s] (a pair of Fives)
TwistedEcho: shows [Ks Kc] (a pair of Kings)
TwistedEcho collected $674.40 from pot

people do retarded stuff yo, don't give them credit for a hand until you know they aren't retarded. You'd defff be best off assuming all randoms suck, than giving them too much credit.

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LOL. The money went in before the flop. I love KK for 2 stacks against a lagtard who thinks I'm nitty BEFORE the flop.

Its after the flop misses me and he then wants to play for stacks over a smallish pot that I think i'm going to be shown a strong hand very often.

I'll I'm saying is I want a READ that he is capable of such an outrageous donkanstein bluff/move prior to pissing away two stacks. Is that so much to ask?

[Jay Riall]

[censored] me, that wasn't Twisted's point. Point is people do retarded [censored] tonnes.

[Nick Royale]

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if we fold KK we should be folding 22 also... would anyone here be folding 22?


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This is ridiculous (maybe I'm even getting leveled), 44>>>KK


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yeah i meant bottom set...

its still a fold, we have 2 outs 66% of the time and he has 4 outs the other 33... clear fold, we are behind his range

(obv i'm taking j4 out of the range)

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wtf were you thinking?