"Jesus" advises Yang to stiff dealers?

[TexRef]

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Anyone who sits inside and does nothing but shuffle cards and pass them out to others should not bitch about $15/hr,much less $50/hr.

Note- I realize having a bad dealer can ruin a table, but that is on Harrah's, it is SO easy to deal.

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I might agree for a $1/2 or $2/5 game, but what about when the stakes start getting really high? What about for $50/$100 or $500/$1000 games? To say that you are going to pay someone $15/hour to run a game where tens of thousands, possibly millions are at stake seems a little short-sighted to me.

Same thing with the WSOP final table. The money for the final nine was over $22M total, with 9th place getting $500K and first over $8M. I would think that you would want to place the most experienced dealers at the tables as the tournament is winding down and they should be rewarded for their efforts. Why would you want to deal the final table of the WSOP for $15/hour? There's not much upside there -- if you screw up you are going to face tons of criticism and if you do everything perfectly it will just be what you are supposed to do and you'll take your mediocre pay and go home.

I'd like to see the dealers that deal the tables towards the end of the tournament make more than those dealing on the first days. Make it competitive so that the best dealers are dealing the final tables (which I assume happens already anyway) and reward them for their success.

[capone0]

I'm pretty sure in most casinos, unless the dealers don't want to, that dealers deal every type of game from the 1/2 game to the 4k/8k atleast at the Venetian. They are doing the exact same thing at each game. Yes the moneys bigger but it's still poker and it's still chips. The rake is about the same for every type of game.

[Zetack]

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This may sound odd but didn't every player that entered effectively tip 1.8% ($180.00) before the event got underway win or lose? The prize won by Yang represented the monies left after the operating costs had been removed. Yang effectively contributed $180.00 just like everyone else.

Depends on how you look at it I guess.

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You could look at it that way. Or you could look at it as money out of the prize pool, so that effectively only people that cashed paid a tip.

In other words, if you bust out twenty minutes into the main event, it doesn't matter whether they witheld 2% or 20%, you still end up with nothing. It would make no difference to you. To the winner however, it would make a great deal of difference in how much he's paid.

So, in my mind the tip is only actually paid by the players that cash (and perhaps the bubbles, as well, if the payout would have been deeper with no witholding for the tip).

[Zetack]

I'm interested from a gossip perspective, in how much the big winners tip, if any. I'm not particularly interested in the ZOMG, Harrah's should pay the dealers better not us, debate.

Personally, I would've tipped an extra 80K for the win, and nothing for one of the just in the money, 20k cashes. Make of that what you will.

--Zetack

[pkrporcupine]

well with an event this size, unfortunately there are alot of break-in dealers that have no clue how to properly deal a simple 1/2 NL cash game let alone an event with millions at stake. In the past, the best of the best dealers are chosen by ESPN and the DC (dealer coordinater), and we got paid the same as everyone else. I was happy just to be able to be on tv for my kids to watch. This year we have finally been given a little extra by earning extra downs. All of the staff has worked very hard this year to try our best to give the players a great event.

[Johnny Hughes]

A tip here would be tax deductible or would lower the taxable winnings by the amount of the tip, I'd guess. If you give the deserving dealers one per cent, half of it is Uncle Sam's money so you get a nice discount.

The dealers are unionizing at the Wynn. Maybe that would help predetermine exact expectations about wages, hours, working conditions. Dealers for top spots like Bellagio, et.al. have great benefits and working conditions and excellent pay. It is not as easy as it looks.

[pkrporcupine]

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I'm interested from a gossip perspective, in how much the big winners tip, if any. I'm not particularly interested in the ZOMG, Harrah's should pay the dealers better not us, debate.

Personally, I would've tipped an extra 80K for the win, and nothing for one of the just in the money, 20k cashes. Make of that what you will.

--Zetack

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I dont Know where to start, probably by saying how tacky your request is. A toke is a personal thing that each person must decide for themselves and not be influenced by anyone other than your perception on how your service was. I got my tip, a wonderful heartfelt hug from a good guy and it was priceless.

[DrewDevil]

How is a tip tax deductible? That's a new one.

[AngusThermopyle]

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He was wrong, plain and simple. .

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How was he wrong?
Please explain.
He said $X was taken out of Yang's share of the prize pool for tips.
Do you dispute that?
Were his figures off?
By how much?

[pkrporcupine]

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A tip here would be tax deductible or would lower the taxable winnings by the amount of the tip, I'd guess. If you give the deserving dealers one per cent, half of it is Uncle Sam's money so you get a nice discount.

The dealers are unionizing at the Wynn. Maybe that would help predetermine exact expectations about wages, hours, working conditions. Dealers for top spots like Bellagio, et.al. have great benefits and working conditions and excellent pay. It is not as easy as it looks.

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The poker dealers are not part of that union that is forming. Besides, us traveling gypsies would not be able to join because we are considered temps. We are the carnies of the dark carnival known as POKER lol. I think as a whole, we would be very pleased with having a voice on the players advisory board so changes can be made for the bennifit of all involved.