***** November LC Thread ***** - Page 10

shyturtle27 · #1 11-08-2007, 11:03 PM

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As long as both players are limiting their actions to pushing and folding, then SAGE is optimal.

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Sage is only optimal if both players are playing it, but it's *always* unexploitable, in that any deviation on your opponent's part will give you an advantage.

If your opponent is deviating, then it's possible you could do better than SAGE, but you'd have to know exactly how he was deviating, which is pretty much impossible to know without seeing his cards.

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What about against a 10-13BB limper?

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Sage is only accurate up to 8BBs, so that's an alien question. Even against an 8BB limper, SAGE still can't tell you what to do.

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SAGE is unexploitable. It is not always best, however. When you have a read on you opponent then you can make an exploitative play that deviates from a SAGE unexploitable play. Exploitative plays are always better than SAGE plays as long as your read on your opponent is correct. For example, if you have KK OTB and you know that your opponent will push from the BB if you limp or minraise with 8BB then it is better to exploit that tendancy than to push.

Also, SAGE suggests equilibrium pushing/calling ranges. If your opponent is your standard lower stakes player then he probably pushes less than equilibrium and calls more than equilibrium. Therefore, you must tighten you calling and pushing ranges.

daveT · #2 11-10-2007, 05:39 PM

BRAG!!!!!!!

I played 4 Satellites to the Sunday Tourney and won 2 of them.

daveT · #3 11-11-2007, 08:26 PM

I was just about to move up, then it occurred to me: I have been running may to f*ing hot today, maybe I should wait for the inevitable downswing. Sure enough, I just ints-dropped 6 buy ins in a row.

I think I am getting a hang of the br management stuff.

Landonfan · #4 11-11-2007, 09:39 PM

When you guys play lags who make you play a huge pot every hand, do you just let them grind you down while you wait for something to call with, or do you try bluffing back at them?

ChicagoRy · #5 11-11-2007, 09:45 PM

Most lower level LAGs are also fairly stationy, so you need some sort of hand usually. Just gotta open up your calling/raising range enough so that you're not getting chipped down so quickly and not getting it in too light.

MasterLJ · #6 11-11-2007, 10:07 PM

Brags brags brags:

Started game selecting around hand 5600. Also just busted a short stacker's roll.

brandysbich · #7 11-11-2007, 10:30 PM

Really impressive buddy

Tupacia · #8 11-12-2007, 03:15 AM

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Brags brags brags:

Started game selecting around hand 5600. Also just busted a short stacker's roll.

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Sick man. Is that all your HU play, just your last X hands , or what?

daveT · #9 11-13-2007, 05:22 PM

For those who are going through a [censored] streak, there is a light at the end of the tunnel. That is about 85 games in the center.

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hra146 · #10 11-13-2007, 05:27 PM

I dont know if I will ever see the light again:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (2 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB (t975)
Hero (t2025)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t90, BB raises to t240, Hero calls t150.

Flop: (t480) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets t150, Hero raises to t450, BB raises to t735, Hero calls t285.

Turn: (t1950) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t1950) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t1950

Results in white below: 
BB has 2d Kd (straight, six high).
Hero has Kh Qd (high card, king).
Outcome: BB wins t1950. 

then I go on a little tilt, get it in with the rest of my chips bad, suck out myself and continue playing well.

After that 8 more AIs followed and in the late 75/150 stages I lose by SAGE.