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100 NL: Rivered Straight, Raise?
Do you shove here? Raise? Call? villain 38/15/2.2
Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter SB: $81.25 Hero (BB): $100 UTG: $74.15 MP: $79.05 CO: $129.20 BTN: $38 Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) UTG folds, MP calls $1, 2 folds, SB calls $0.50, Hero checks Flop: ($3) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players) SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, MP calls $3, SB folds Turn: ($9) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, MP checks River: ($9) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $14</font>, <font color="red"> |
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Re: 100 NL: Rivered Straight, Raise?
Just call. With a flush and a higher straight out there, it's gonna be tough to get a worse hand to call, and you don't want to reopen the betting.
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Re: 100 NL: Rivered Straight, Raise?
I think its likely he has a 4 (pretty bad player), but only straight that beats mine is 8 9, which is not in his range (I dont believe. He wouldn't call flop with no draw 9 high)
p.s. did you see I had a "superstraight?" |
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Re: 100 NL: Rivered Straight, Raise?
reminiraise.
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Re: 100 NL: Rivered Straight, Raise?
could you elaborate orange? I am very curious in hearing this:
My thinking: What flush draws does he possibly have? a4d, 46d, 45d I think are all the logical ones, so its a pretty small part of his range. If you min-re raise the river, do you plan on folding to a shove? If so, is it not a better choice to flat call? Why risk being bluffed off the whole pot for $7 more? Doesn't he only need to bluff shove air, or even value shove his 4 a very small percentage of the time to make min re raising / folding a -EV play, compared to flat calling even? I believe he would call the shove with any 4, possibly a set. Why re-open the betting to him if we are folding to a shove? If we are min re raising to induce a bluff, or to call a shove, I like it a lot. But that can't really be said without reads, imo. I really would like to hear more opinions on this |
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Re: 100 NL: Rivered Straight, Raise?
He's not bluff-shoving air after a minraise on the river. It's kinda close if we 3-betminraise and he insta-shovels, I'd probably throw it away but more often than not we're getting called by 4x and scooping the pot than we are being showed a backdoor flush that flopped a pair.
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Re: 100 NL: Rivered Straight, Raise?
If he bluffs a very small % of the time, we lose a TON of value by mucking (albeit he probably won't bluff too often, but he might shove a 4! He is dumb, loose, why not?)
If most of the time we are getting called by 4x, why not shove? min raise river = not folding usually. |
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Re: 100 NL: Rivered Straight, Raise?
[ QUOTE ]
If he bluffs a very small % of the time, we lose a TON of value by mucking (albeit he probably won't bluff too often, but he might shove a 4! He is dumb, loose, why not?) If most of the time we are getting called by 4x, why not shove? min raise river = not folding usually. [/ QUOTE ] Eh it's player-dependent. If you think he fist-pumps a shove with just a 4 on the river, by all means do it, I just think his calling range would be tighter to a shove. Minraise is just assuring us we get a call most of the time. I only say bluff % is nearly 0 because I don't see people minraising/shoving river with air at this low of stakes; much more likely to just shove river. |
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Re: 100 NL: Rivered Straight, Raise?
I'd 3-bet, he has a 4 way way more often than 98 or a flush. And players this loose don't fold a 4.
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Re: 100 NL: Rivered Straight, Raise?
3bet small to extract from a 4... fold to 4bet
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