Calling Pre-flop? Strongly Consider 3-Betting Instead (NLTRN Theory)

[Collin Moshman]

xSCWx, I think there are really two different types of LAG style. There's the maniac LAG and the decent LAG who can let go of a hand. Against the maniac LAG, 3-betting will generally just bloat the pot OOP so you're right. The thinking LAG can certainly fold however, so he's the one I'd be a lot more inclined to reraise pf.

TNixon you're absolutely right -- there's no point in 3-betting a calling station unless you're doing it for value.

daveT, what are your position stats? I can't imagine having a higher chip profit from the BB than the button in even a marginally deep situation. What is your strategy to achieve this? In the hand you give, I'd check/shove the flop with an ace-high and two overs, and if you checked behind I'd c-bet the turn. With a weaker hand where I only had one over, I'd c-bet the flop and give it you if you stayed in and I didn't improve. Against a 70/70, I'd probably -- very roughly -- fold 75%, 3-bet 20%, call 5%.

3-betting certainly isn't a cure-all, but there are no great options playing OOP. Folding a lot of hands is fine IMO, but those you do play should often be 3-bet rather than called IF there's a realistic chance your opponent will concede pre-flop.

[ChicagoRy]

I know at one point I had a higher winrate from BB than SB, but I'm convinced it was just variance.

I'm winning about 4x as big from SB as BB now. Roughly 50k sample from my last 1k or so games.

[Saitoh]

3 betting light is a good strat against 2+2 HUSNGers

[Landonfan]

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3 betting light is a good strat against 2+2 HUSNGers

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This is exactly what I've been thinking every time I've come in this thread. 3betting often is good against solid, raise or fold type players. It's usually spew against pretty much everyone else.

[HungryPeon]

In HUSNG we playing most of opponents for first or second time and 80% of them are donks. So i think pot control here is more important than attempts to outplay our opponent or pushing him out OOP in big pot.


(sorry for bad English)

[daveT]

I remember having a discussion with hra about this, since he was over-all doing better out of the BB than SB. My SB/BB is 1/4 as well, although I think this ratio is incorrect, as I am showing losses with even AK out of the BB right now. Variance.

[xSCWx]

Is this only for 10/20 blinds?

Say we are playing in 15/30 blinds:

Villain raises to 90
Hero reraises to 270 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Villain calls

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Villain checks
Hero cbets 400
Villain shoves

If we call we are probably significantly behind. If we fold we are dumping close to half our chips.

Am I missing something?