Brace on my wrist TURBO

[Zurvan]

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Good post, zurv. I think you're right WRT long games.

Turbos really are a different game, though. Things happen too fast.

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Yes, turbos are faster.

Therefore, you need to REDUCE the complexity of the village's decisions, not increase it. Faking makes things harder on the village, because there's more nebulous data.

When you're so out there with anything, it makes it very easy on the wolves to project an image with a night kill. The village needs to decide if the wolves meant the obvious, or the second level with a kill. Too much thinking involved, and too much room for error.

[antidan444]

Zurvan,

In a turbo, as a villager, all I would be doing is taking my top village read and be popping it in an "If I'm the seer" form, which basically is just spotlighting it. That's it. No fancy-schmanzy stuff from me, other than that.

Is that so bad?

I really do think in a turbo this might be a good thing. (Unless my read is wrong, LDO, but again I think that happens with my top village read pretty rarely, and I'm not exactly the most egotistical player in the world to be saying that.)

[DustinG]

Antidan,

the only thing that worries me about your approach is that I think you could just as easily take yourself out of the seer hunt that way than by being wrong and/or not dropping any hints.

If you're always hinting at the most obvious villager, people (wolves) are going to pick up on that pretty quickly.

I've been clearing people and saying "not my peek", for this very reason.

[antidan444]

Dustin,

Any other way and I won't feel comfortable doing it, because it increases the percentage of time I'll be wrong and thus the percentage of time the wolves can take advantage.

[antidan444]

And in some ways it wouldn't be terrible for the wolves to not take me seriously, which is what I want when I AM the seer.

But that's just benefitting one game out of nine.

[DustinG]

a good example of this is my fake peeking chuckles D1 of this game.

Chuck was as obvious a villager as Chuck could be D1 imo, so my post was "if I said I peeked you as a villager, no one would believe that, so I won't say it".

What wouldn't be believed wasn't that fact that I was the seer (although that probably wouldn't be believed either), but that my peek just so happens to be the one of the most obvious villagers in the game.

[HerbieGRD]

It's funny how many times we have this conversation. I still believe that the only reason we keep having it is because 9ers as currently configured are biased strongly towards the village but w/e. The fact that faking seer day 1 is so effective in these games is because wolves can't afford to FPS kill in 9ers (not rly) unless the stars line up perfectly for them.

w/e, as I said, we've been down this road so many times before.

[DustinG]

Herbie,

I think I disagree about 9ers being skewed towards the village.

Village does win most games, but the village SHOULD win a lot more imo, and its certainly possible for villages to run pretty badly and lose > %50 of games for an extended period.

I would still support not giving the seer a n0 peek though, and seeing how that turned out.

[metsandfinsfan]

faking seer with villagers is one thing
claiming seer as a villager minutes before lynch in a turbo to save yourself is bad though

but yeah, give reads and dont be so self centered about your fake seering.

like i said dustin, i think you are a good villager when you dont fps and dont know why you think its so important to do the [censored] you do all the time.

P.S. Zurvan, stop posting in this thread, if you dont have time to put up a big brother challenge then you dont have time to post in the post game commentary in a turbo you werent involved in [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[DustinG]

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faking seer with villagers is one thing
claiming seer as a villager minutes before lynch in a turbo to save yourself is bad though


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I did it the other day for a couple reasons

1) my wagon was complete bs (obviously they always are, but this time was a lot worse)

2) I thought there was a decent chance that a wolf could get lynched instead

3) I choose not to vote in self-defense

4) my peek was pretty believable imo

Obviously its horrible when you don't get lynched, and another villager gets lynched, and you have to die the following day

I should also add that I was claiming seer not minutes from the end of the day, but from the very beginning, so it seems silly to then have to unclaim before getting lynched.