like i said in previous post, i dont fold KK

djshawk · #1 11-30-2007, 07:20 AM

Bet more on the turn? I'd make it $23 there. Not sure what is best on the river though, I hate folding and a hate shoving so I think I check/call. The problem with c/c though is this guy isn't going to be bluffing so you don't get value from stuff you beat. Hmmm, maybe bet a really small amount and hope he doesn't raise a right lot. These passive post flop guys don't normally make big raises so if you bet $5 he may just hit raise and you can get to SD for $10 which would be good here imo.

Orsman · #2 11-30-2007, 07:23 AM

bet bigger on turn and c/c a reasonable bet on river

Rainclouds · #3 11-30-2007, 07:24 AM

lol I really hope some leveling is going on here.

Edit: in case there is no leveling, I am referring to the posts about slowing down anywhere... c/c'ing top set vs a player with AF 0 is so ugly just beyond terrible. Such a low AF means he'd only bet the nuts and call about anything else. c/c would make it so that he checks behind every worse hand so you get no value, and he bets when you are beat and then you call. Great way to lose the maximum and win the minimum.
c/f would be already better, but that is ugly, horrible and terrible as well. Openshoving is the only way to go.

My line would be $10 on flop, $30 on turn, shove river.

djshawk · #4 11-30-2007, 07:31 AM

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lol I really hope some leveling is going on here.

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Is that aimed at me?

I was serious! Are you in the shoving camp?

The K is such a horrible card because it makes our hand look so much better but it really doesn't change a lot. If villian had a set he is raising flop or turn 90% of the time, same with 2pr. He's played this so so much like a FD that getting to SD cheap as possible has to be the best move. How often do you see a 0AF guy shove? Super rare, we all know the minraise is the king of all moves so bet $5, let him minraise or get trixy and make it $15 so we can get to SD cheap.

Am I being a total retard here?

carrotsnake · #5 11-30-2007, 07:36 AM

keyser, checking should only be done with the intention of folding, which I don't like :/. Much rather b/c, b/f or shove

Grandezza · #6 11-30-2007, 07:40 AM

dont think there's much value here. if he doesn't have us beat the ks is about as scary as it gets for him.

DaycareInferno · #7 11-30-2007, 07:41 AM

maybe i'm dumb, but i would bet more on the turn and either b/c or shove river. 20 hands means almost nothing, but KKK means a lot. wtf.

clowntable · #8 11-30-2007, 08:06 AM

Shove river (PSB) imo, 20 hands != read on agression.
+ get ready to type "blacks pwn KKK"

JFsports · #9 11-30-2007, 10:38 AM

c/c river has got to be bad here, he checks behind a ton of hands that you beat which he could call with

Rainclouds · #10 11-30-2007, 12:32 PM

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lol I really hope some leveling is going on here.

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Is that aimed at me?

I was serious! Are you in the shoving camp?

The K is such a horrible card because it makes our hand look so much better but it really doesn't change a lot. If villian had a set he is raising flop or turn 90% of the time, same with 2pr. He's played this so so much like a FD that getting to SD cheap as possible has to be the best move. How often do you see a 0AF guy shove? Super rare, we all know the minraise is the king of all moves so bet $5, let him minraise or get trixy and make it $15 so we can get to SD cheap.

Am I being a total retard here?

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It was aimed partly at you and some of the other posters.

I won't call anyone a retard, but I do believe you are wrong [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

The reason is that you don't know yet that villain shoves at the moment when you make your river decision, so you cannot base your action on that.

And if you somehow still think you are very much behind to his range, then c/f is still better than c/c, although I don't consider c/f a real option here. Who knows what the guy is slowplaying, he might even have a set. Villains do stupid things. I'm comfortable shoving it on the river, and file it under the coolers if he has a flush.