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11-30-2007, 06:45 AM
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Re: Could We Have Won Vietnam?
The US pretty much DID WIN the war against (South) Vietnam. The real aim was to 'prevent economic and social development in Vietnam'. In this sense the aims of the government and the success of the military proved the war to be a great success- of course by any moral and sane view the war was a tragic disgrace, but, Vietnam remains to be a failure with no meaningful development and this was the ONLY viable aim of the US government. We now KNOW that the claims that Vietnam had important material resources (tin,rubber ...) has been proven false and their material insignificant, the containment of communism - hardly, Vietnam was more nationalism than communism, domino theory- McNamara even admits that was BS, Minh; puppet of the Kremlin? proven to be bs, protect national security- lol... as stated the US succeeded in its only real aims in Vietnam; halting socio-economic development and meaningful prosperity of the Vietnamise.
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11-30-2007, 06:51 AM
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Re: Could We Have Won Vietnam?
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I think that anybody with a modicum of intelligence would say that the claim that in a strictly military sense, the US won the war in Vietnam [/ QUOTE ] Midge, I have read anti-vietnam war essays that state the military had 'unprecedented success' in Vietnam...
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11-30-2007, 06:59 AM
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Re: Could We Have Won Vietnam?
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[ QUOTE ] I think that anybody with a modicum of intelligence would say that the claim that in a strictly military sense, the US won the war in Vietnam [/ QUOTE ] Midge, I have read anti-vietnam war essays that state the military had 'unprecedented success' in Vietnam... [/ QUOTE ] The goal of military action is to help achieve political goals. Our political goals in Vietnam were not met. End of story. To define military "success" by any other measure is ridiculous. As a former military officer, it pains me to see active duty officers like vulture get this one so wrong. There is no such thing as winning a war in a "strictly military sense". That's like winning a football game in a "strictly rushing yardage sense". Clauswitz 101: "war is politics".
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11-30-2007, 09:26 AM
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Re: Could We Have Won Vietnam?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Our political goals in Vietnam were not met. [/ QUOTE ] You know this how? [/ QUOTE ] Fine. Our stated political goals in Vietnam were not met. [/ QUOTE ] The real goal was to prevent Vietnam from becoming socially and economically prosperous and independent as to not act as a model for other states. The terroist campaign of the US military was a huge success in this regard and in regards to its litteral military accomplishments.
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#7
11-30-2007, 01:08 PM
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Re: Could We Have Won Vietnam?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Our political goals in Vietnam were not met. [/ QUOTE ] You know this how? [/ QUOTE ] Fine. Our stated political goals in Vietnam were not met. [/ QUOTE ] The real goal was to prevent Vietnam from becoming socially and economically prosperous and independent as to not act as a model for other states. The terroist campaign of the US military was a huge success in this regard and in regards to its litteral military accomplishments. [/ QUOTE ] Terrorist campaign of the U.S. military ehh ??????? I can't say what I want to you without getting banned. So have a nice day [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#8
11-30-2007, 03:52 PM
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Re: Could We Have Won Vietnam?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think that anybody with a modicum of intelligence would say that the claim that in a strictly military sense, the US won the war in Vietnam [/ QUOTE ] Midge, I have read anti-vietnam war essays that state the military had 'unprecedented success' in Vietnam... [/ QUOTE ] The goal of military action is to help achieve political goals. Our political goals in Vietnam were not met. End of story. To define military "success" by any other measure is ridiculous. As a former military officer, it pains me to see active duty officers like vulture get this one so wrong. There is no such thing as winning a war in a "strictly military sense". That's like winning a football game in a "strictly rushing yardage sense". Clauswitz 101: "war is politics". [/ QUOTE ] Sorry I wasnt precise enough for you. By militarily, I meant in a tactical sense. Obviously we didnt meet our political goals there, thats what the thread is about. I thought people pretty much understood what I meant when I stated that earlier. Stop being such a nit, Kaj. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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