Stars 1/2 - QQ in bb vs steal raise

[BadBigBabar]

this is a terrible line
bet the flop

[Harv72b]

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this is a terrible line
bet the flop

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Why?

And, why?
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[Fadook]

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this is a terrible line
bet the flop

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Why?

And, why?
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I don't see how it can make sense to c/c down. Maybe he'd bet TT on the flop and turn, but most rational guys will give up on that by the river when there's an A on the flop.

[TimovieMan]

Bet/3-bet flop. Call down only if he shows further aggression. Else bet.

Immediately c/c-ing is terrible, DUCY?

[knockonwood]

OMG, bet the flop

[knockonwood]

ok...I'll put myself in the check the flop camp.

I 3 bet PF, QQ is a premium hand. (Nice!) [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Here comes the flop... There is an ace on the board. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Wait, I have queens and there is an ace on the board. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] This is not good. I bet CO has an ace. I'm behind. Damn, i had a good hand preflop. I'll check. I think CO will bet because he must have the ace (probably AK or something). I'll call his bet and see if a queen comes on the turn (I'll have trips!) [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[LateFlag]

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Bet/3-bet flop. Call down only if he shows further aggression. Else bet.

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This line is worse than the line the OP took. We're not that far removed from WA/WB here.

Edit: Please don't try to tell me that villain is ever folding an A.

[TimovieMan]

No, but I'm suggesting he might raise the flop without an A.

Change my line to bet/3-bet/fold flop and if he's still with us: c/f.

The whole reason why I was suggesting a 3-bet is folding equity, and because flop bets are cheaper.

But you're right, the calldown afterwards sucks (whoops, my bad). It should be a fold. We bluffed, he called, game over.


Edit: ...and you guys just made me realize why I’m spewy in 6-max... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[KitCloudkicker]

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The whole reason why I was suggesting a 3-bet is folding equity

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what hands do you have folding "equity" against that you want to fold? if you think he's folding AT-AQ...well, LOL

[Harv72b]

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Maybe he'd bet TT on the flop and turn, but most rational guys will give up on that by the river when there's an A on the flop.

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Rational guy's thought patterns...

Preflop: I has TT and I's on teh button. Everyone folds, so I raises. What's this? Big blind reraises me?? I flat call and raise teh flop to punish this guy...

Flop: Uh oh, ugly flop. ZOMGWTF, he checked??? He's probably got king high or he 3bet me with some sooted connectorz, so I bets. He calls...ruh roh.

Turn: He checks again. Mmmmokay, maybe he's got AA & I's about to get pwned, but I think maybe he has some smaller pocket pair so I bets for value. Plus I's got the T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] so I has outs if he's ahead. Or maybe he's got a bigger pocket pair but he'll fold now cuz I obviously has teh ace or teh flush. Yarbles, he's called again.

River: Curses, missed my flush and my full house, but he's playing this so weak I just has to bet again. Probably he's got a smaller pocket pair, or maybe he had like QxQ[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] & now he'll fold to my bet cuz I has to have him beat here. So I makes a half value bet half bluff bet.

Note: you can change villain's holding to any two cards, really, except take out the value bet bits when he's got JT. TT works well for this example, tho. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]