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#1
11-30-2007, 02:53 AM
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Re: Post hands where your cbet is raised and you play back?
i'm pretty sure no one's posting the hands where they play back/make a hero calldown and look like an idiot...
uh like i believe seabeast is getting at in the post above 
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#2
11-30-2007, 03:00 AM
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Re: Post hands where your cbet is raised and you play back?
Party Poker, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter BB: $866 Hero (UTG): $663 MP: $600 CO: $549.75 BTN: $1,198.75 SB: $658 Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG) <font color="red">Hero raises to $22</font>, MP calls $22, 4 folds Flop: ($53) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $42</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $105</font>, Hero calls $63 Turn: ($263) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $175</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $536 and is All-In</font>, MP folds Results: $613 Pot Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pairs, Tens and Eights) and WON $971 (+$669 NET) Ok here is a serious one. This guy was playing out of control aggressive and was obviously bluffing so much more often than he would have the 3 hands or whatever that can call pre and then raise this flop for value. So i decided to call and then CRAI most turns because that gets more out of him than threebetting flop, and it also means you are the one who shuts the door - he can't rebluff you. I don't show bluffs often but we were battling.
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#4
11-30-2007, 03:12 AM
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Re: Post hands where your cbet is raised and you play back?
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because I have no clue where to pick spots to continue with less than TPGK+/big draws. I don't want to play fit or fold forever. [/ QUOTE ] While I understand what you are getting at I still think that people have the goods most of the time and generaly don't make big plays. It's dangerous to go around being paranoid about getting outplayed which I think alot of us do at times. It can seriosly cloud your judgment. What I suggest is spending more time on table selection. There are almost always tables open where you don't have to worry about this. Do you really wanna play super agressive "wreckless" poker? I don't think you should be looking for spots to get it in on the flop with less then what you are used to. Anyways, too bad about the filter in PT. It would be really helpfull to have filters like that to look at.
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#5
11-30-2007, 03:30 AM
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Re: Post hands where your cbet is raised and you play back?
ok i was just reminded of a hand i played a little while ago:
Party Poker, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter SB: $565 BB: $105 UTG: $413.05 Hero (CO): $597 BTN: $1,232.98 Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) UTG calls $6, <font color="red">Hero raises to $30</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $27, 2 folds Flop: ($72) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $50</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $144</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $567 and is All-In</font>, SB folds Results: $360 Pot earlier this orbit he flat called my utg open on the btn with A2 and called 2 barrels on a J427 board, i gave up on a river blank and he was good. so this flop shove seemed easy enough as he's clearly not about to give me credit for a hand after i cbet here, probably feels like he owns me a bit right now, and i don't expect him to really ever have a strong hand.
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#6
11-30-2007, 03:37 AM
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Re: Post hands where your cbet is raised and you play back?
It seems that the lesson so far is: If people are playing back with crap, react in a situation where it is unlikely for the opponent to be able to continue. If people are being sensible, step down.
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#7
11-30-2007, 03:56 AM
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Re: Post hands where your cbet is raised and you play back?
and just so you know, i think that's the only time i played back after my cbet was raised all day. guess what, i still won multiple buyins.
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#8
11-30-2007, 04:25 AM
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Re: Post hands where your cbet is raised and you play back?
Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter UTG: $379.30 MP: $414.40 Hero (CO): $424.60 BTN: $360 SB: $824.95 BB: $459.10 Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, BTN calls $14, 2 folds Flop: ($34) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $22</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $66</font>, Hero calls $44 Turn: ($166) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, BTN checks River: ($166) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $100</font>, BTN folds Results: $166 Pot ($3 Rake) Hero mucked T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and WON $163 (+$83 NET) villain is 35/25, kind of erratic, just three bet a utg raiser with 93o and showed when he folded. earlier in the session he three bet me i called and c/f'ed the flop after timing down a little bit. i've been playing pretty tight and haven't been shown bluffing. when he raises the flop it feels like a wtf i'm gonna raise the flop cause you're oop and you've got to fold if you have overcards which you're gonna have a lot. i'm pretty sure he's thinking this so i just call the raise and rep a hand like TT+, remember my image is good, plus i don't think he has much and believe he is a thinking player, just with laggy stats. he checks the turn which is green light to fire a lot of rivers imo. i can rep an overpair, maybe even a flush, and he folds. A couple things made this line work imo. 1. I'm aware of my image as solid so far, plus we have history of me laying down to him before so we have some type of rapport, if that's the right word. with some people that rapport doesn't mean [censored] and they'll keep firing with bluffs or top pair on the board in this hand regardless of my call, but in this instance i felt that his turn bet meant he was giving me some type of credit. 2. the flush came in and he didn't bet the turn. i have more hands i can rep here. i didn't bet the turn but i could've whiffed a c/r, maybe ill donk the turn with a flush, maybe ill go for a c/r, he knows he has a crazy kind of aggressive image so he may think i think he's gonna follow up with a turn bet... 3. i put in a decent size river bet and not a lot of people at 2/4 would take this line with air so in combo with my image my line looks fairly strong. pretty borderline play imo but with my read of him along with my image and how the hand played out with him checking behind fairly quickly on the turn, my line seemed to fit nicely.
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#9
11-30-2007, 04:35 AM
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Re: Post hands where your cbet is raised and you play back?
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Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter UTG: $379.30 MP: $414.40 Hero (CO): $424.60 BTN: $360 SB: $824.95 BB: $459.10 Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, BTN calls $14, 2 folds Flop: ($34) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $22</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $66</font>, Hero calls $44 Turn: ($166) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, BTN checks River: ($166) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $100</font>, BTN folds Results: $166 Pot ($3 Rake) Hero mucked T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and WON $163 (+$83 NET) [/ QUOTE ] You got a great turn to allow a bluff but floating this flop OOP is pretty damn terrible, I don't care if this guy is bluff-raising every flop. I'd much rather push than call but they both suck compared to just folding.
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#10
11-30-2007, 04:51 AM
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Re: Post hands where your cbet is raised and you play back?
[ QUOTE ]
Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter UTG: $379.30 MP: $414.40 Hero (CO): $424.60 BTN: $360 SB: $824.95 BB: $459.10 Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, BTN calls $14, 2 folds Flop: ($34) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $22</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $66</font>, Hero calls $44 Turn: ($166) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, BTN checks River: ($166) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $100</font>, BTN folds Results: $166 Pot ($3 Rake) Hero mucked T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and WON $163 (+$83 NET) villain is 35/25, kind of erratic, just three bet a utg raiser with 93o and showed when he folded. earlier in the session he three bet me i called and c/f'ed the flop after timing down a little bit. i've been playing pretty tight and haven't been shown bluffing. when he raises the flop it feels like a wtf i'm gonna raise the flop cause you're oop and you've got to fold if you have overcards which you're gonna have a lot. i'm pretty sure he's thinking this so i just call the raise and rep a hand like TT+, remember my image is good, plus i don't think he has much and believe he is a thinking player, just with laggy stats. he checks the turn which is green light to fire a lot of rivers imo. i can rep an overpair, maybe even a flush, and he folds. A couple things made this line work imo. 1. I'm aware of my image as solid so far, plus we have history of me laying down to him before so we have some type of rapport, if that's the right word. with some people that rapport doesn't mean [censored] and they'll keep firing with bluffs or top pair on the board in this hand regardless of my call, but in this instance i felt that his turn bet meant he was giving me some type of credit. 2. the flush came in and he didn't bet the turn. i have more hands i can rep here. i didn't bet the turn but i could've whiffed a c/r, maybe ill donk the turn with a flush, maybe ill go for a c/r, he knows he has a crazy kind of aggressive image so he may think i think he's gonna follow up with a turn bet... 3. i put in a decent size river bet and not a lot of people at 2/4 would take this line with air so in combo with my image my line looks fairly strong. pretty borderline play imo but with my read of him along with my image and how the hand played out with him checking behind fairly quickly on the turn, my line seemed to fit nicely. [/ QUOTE ] Wow. TBH, this looks so crazy that I can't imagine you're missing much value/profit by never doing it.
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