Pre-flop exploitive play question

[tmcdmck]

yeah, i dont think there is any such thing as an exploitative reraise range unless they are folding a large % of their raise range to a rr, when the exploitative range would become atc. correct me if im wrong though people!

[c double]

Sean you must consider the % of of the time you actually have the raiser beat. I'm reraising an amount about equal to that, slightly more. But it's still way less than 23%. Reraise that much and those players are going to be calling you with 88 and worse. And no, don't make it a range of hands. You're better off rolling a dice than being that predictable.

[Rek]

Can I buy your bot when it's finished? On second thoughts, no.

[SeanC]

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Can I buy your bot when it's finished? On second thoughts, no.

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Wouldn't ever bother creating one even if I knew how...and yeah, trying to learn the math/game theory definitely means creating a bot.

[oxiej]

in micro limits i think 3-betting light definatly is profitable. cause you can polarize villains range so much.

if villain calls your 3-bet your often up vs AQs+, TT+(jj+)

and if they reraise you can instafold unless you got AA or KK.

i often see villains think you have to have AA if you 3-betn cause noone does that without AA.

so i find it really profitable to 3-bet my rather loose opponents alot, and see them fold like 50% of the time.

[soop]

Here's my thinking: 23% is either folding too much or folding too little. (I have no idea what the acutal number is, it depends on postflop play and other stuff)

If he's folding too much, you should bluff sometimes. It might be with any two if he folds enough or it might be just be with hands that have more than a certain amount of equity against his calling range.

If he's folding too little, dont bluff, just raise for value.

[ronitonline]

lolz I can vouch for Sean and he is definitely not trying to make a bot. He just realized theres more to poker math then being like omfg i have 2-1 on my flush draw lets PWN HIM IN THE FACE!!!!

[SeanC]

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Sean you must consider the % of of the time you actually have the raiser beat. I'm reraising an amount about equal to that, slightly more. But it's still way less than 23%. Reraise that much and those players are going to be calling you with 88 and worse. And no, don't make it a range of hands. You're better off rolling a dice than being that predictable.

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Fair enough, I just think you may be leaving value on the table. If the OPP starts calling/RRing you more lightly, you adjust accordingly--tighten up your own range. First impressions go far and if you are beating on someone with 3-bets, the resulting situation can become very easily exploited.

On the other hand, I've had a fair amount of OPPs that simply don't know how to respond to merciless 3-bets. They are too weak to stick it in light and therefore either call light and wonder what to do next or just fold too much.

Then again, this oscillation of exploitive strategies does indicate there will be an optimal mixed strategy, but I'm not too sure how to determine that...gonna have to mess around with the math I guess...