Why Im no longer an ACist

[valenzuela]

Nate, consider the following hypothetical discussion

A: How about goverment programs for hot meals for children on school?
B: No, because to fund that program you need to force others to pay for it
C: No, because if you fund that program you will have to tax people and that will result in market inneffeciencies and in the long run those kids will be worse off.
D: Wah, wah why cant I be free? Its not my fault poor people have sex.
E: I think a voluntary solution to the problem its better, the community will be aware those children need help and since they will care they will feed the kids themselves, if you put a goverment porgram those people that were going to help wont help and the children will be worse off.

Person B is giving more importance to absolute property rights than to a natural state problem
Person C is overestimating the effect a slight tax will have on the incentives and is underestimating the irreversible damage that is produced because the kids wont get proper nutrition when theyre still kids.
Person D is being a douchebag
Person E is being extremely naive and is just HOPING the community will care enough to take the time to do voluntary solution.

I hope that clarifies my position.

[AlexM]

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B: No, because to fund that program you need to force others to pay for it
Person B is giving more importance to absolute property rights than to a natural state problem

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How about this?

Question: Should we allow slavery because we need cotton to prevent people from having cold winters due to not having coats?

B: No, because to fund that program you need to force others to pay for it

Person B is giving more importance to absolute property rights than to a natural state problem

Same damn thing as what you said.

[owsley]

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B: No, because to fund that program you need to force others to pay for it
Person B is giving more importance to absolute property rights than to a natural state problem

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How about this?

Question: Should we allow slavery because we need cotton to prevent people from having cold winters due to not having coats?

B: No, because to fund that program you need to force others to pay for it

Person B is giving more importance to absolute property rights than to a natural state problem

Same damn thing as what you said.

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Wow, how can you actually oppose schoolchildren getting hot meals? You are a terrible person obviously.

[natedogg]

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B: No, because to fund that program you need to force others to pay for it
Person B is giving more importance to absolute property rights than to a natural state problem

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How about this?

Question: Should we allow slavery because we need cotton to prevent people from having cold winters due to not having coats?

B: No, because to fund that program you need to force others to pay for it

Person B is giving more importance to absolute property rights than to a natural state problem

Same damn thing as what you said.

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Wow, how can you actually oppose schoolchildren getting hot meals? You are a terrible person obviously.

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Thanks guys, I knew I could count on you.

natedogg

[BCPVP]

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B: No, because to fund that program you need to force others to pay for it
Person B is giving more importance to absolute property rights than to a natural state problem

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How about this?

Question: Should we allow slavery because we need cotton to prevent people from having cold winters due to not having coats?

B: No, because to fund that program you need to force others to pay for it

Person B is giving more importance to absolute property rights than to a natural state problem

Same damn thing as what you said.

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Wow, how can you actually oppose schoolchildren getting hot meals? You are a terrible person obviously.

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AlexM wants children to die cold and hungry, obv.

[valenzuela]

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B: No, because to fund that program you need to force others to pay for it
Person B is giving more importance to absolute property rights than to a natural state problem

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How about this?

Question: Should we allow slavery because we need cotton to prevent people from having cold winters due to not having coats?

B: No, because to fund that program you need to force others to pay for it

Person B is giving more importance to absolute property rights than to a natural state problem

Same damn thing as what you said.

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Wow, how can you actually oppose schoolchildren getting hot meals? You are a terrible person obviously.

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AlexM is a slave because he has to pay taxes , obv.

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[valenzuela]

AlexM who do you consider to be more of a slave, Bill Gates or a poor kid with neglecting parents that is born in AC land?

[AlexM]

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AlexM who do you consider to be more of a slave, Bill Gates or a poor kid with neglecting parents that is born in AC land?

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Uhm, Bill Gates is one of the masters in our society... When I own a giant corporation whose profits are based mostly on government tyranny, you can compare me to Bill Gates.

As for the child, to some extent all children are slaves, but with neglected parents, it's the same in AC land as in government land. Either people will notice and take the children away from them or people won't notice.

So... what do either of these people have to do with anything?

[valenzuela]

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B: No, because to fund that program you need to force others to pay for it
Person B is giving more importance to absolute property rights than to a natural state problem

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How about this?

Question: Should we allow slavery because we need cotton to prevent people from having cold winters due to not having coats?

B: No, because to fund that program you need to force others to pay for it

Person B is giving more importance to absolute property rights than to a natural state problem

Same damn thing as what you said.

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Except that giving a small percentage of youre wealth is not the same as being a slave! Do you really consider yourself a slave?

[AlexM]

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Do you really consider yourself a slave?

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Absolutely. I might be given far more "privileges" than even the best kept house slave of 200 years ago, but I'm still a slave.