Couple spots vs same LAG, 5/10 NL live

thejerkface · #1 11-28-2007, 03:40 PM

Hand 2: In 50BB live poker, you really can't fold an overpair ever. If he's Laggy, he'll bet the turn if checked to, so I would go for a CRai. As played, bet/call.

The tell doesn't really change anything for me. When you're this shallow, I say [censored] the tell and get the money in.

quickfetus · #2 11-28-2007, 04:06 PM

Interesting suggestion to CRAI. The speed with which he called the flop made me think he could be in calldown mode, so I didn't want to give a free card and have a difficult decision on the river. Also I wasn't sure he would be able to lay down any sort of pair or draw, so I figured it would make sense to bet.

Re: the tell: FWIW, it's actually a common sign of weakness which usually says "please don't bet."

thejerkface · #3 11-28-2007, 04:18 PM

You didn't say if there was a flush draw on the flop. If there isn't, there's not alot of straight draws on the flop: some gutterballs, and 57. I think going for a CRai is worth the risk of letting him draw to his 4-outer for free.

quickfetus · #4 11-28-2007, 04:25 PM

Sorry about that, there was no 4-outer on the flop. I'm starting to like your suggestion to CRAI. What do other people think? Anybody care to run some numbers?

optionsguy · #5 11-28-2007, 04:27 PM

crai is very standard.

igetbadbeat · #6 11-28-2007, 04:35 PM

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agreed, u have 50bb. I dont' beleive in making reads with 50bb when u have an overpair.

quickfetus · #7 11-28-2007, 05:30 PM

Ok, let me try to explain a general thought process about bad live players.

On 2+2, we're very used to the idea of thinking about a hand in multiple ways. I.e, villain could call flop partially for showdown value, partially to take pot away if I check the turn. However, I haven't seen evidence that most bad players think this way. Usually, people think about a hand in only one way. If they have a strong hand, they play it for value. If they have a gutshot, they may call a big raise to spike their card, but are far less likely to call the flop as a float with the intention of betting the turn when checked to.

In this case, I think that if villain is playing a small pair, he is in calldown mode, and consequently highly unlikely to bet the turn (thereby increasing the size of a pot he was only aiming to calldown in in the first place). Also keep in mind that I said I have not yet seen villain out of line when raising postflop.