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Old 11-27-2007, 10:30 PM
PokrLikeItsProse PokrLikeItsProse is offline
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Default Re: Never C-betting with air.

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not Cbetting is 0EV.

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No, folding is worth 0. Checking does not mean you lose the pot. Comparing a continuation bet with folding will strongly bias your analysis in favor of making continuation bets, even when they are less profitable than the alternatives.

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Folding is deffinatly worth 0EV, however checking is a different story. Checking could actually be close to -EV.

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Checking can never have a lower EV than folding. The strategy of checking with plans of not putting in any future bets (that is, checking behind on future streets if checked to and folding to any bet) dominates the strategy of folding, so one should obviously never just fold if checked to on the flop. Folding has an EV of O. Checking with plans of not putting in any future bets into the pot must be worth at least 0. In fact, it is worth slightly more because you sometimes win when the pot is checked down all the way.
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:44 AM
Nutstylin Nutstylin is offline
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Default Re: Never C-betting with air.

I think the answer lies in your opponents strategy/tendencies. For the sake of simplicity lets assume that you have opened from the field for a raise and called only by the BB.

Assume now that on the flop you employ the strategy of betting all your "made hands" (1 pair or better including all PPs), and checking the rest (high card only hands).
Against the ultimate calling station (who's only action is to call), you will show a profit, and you can continue to value bet the turn and river based on the strength of your hand.
Against the rock who only gives further action when he hits hard, you may show a small profit due to your position in later betting rounds, but you lose a HEAP of value by not claiming pots when both of you miss.
Against the good player who is able to adjust to your strategy, you will get crushed. If you divide your range into two distinct groups with your flop action, you give the thinking opponent the chance to play perfectly vs your ranges. This turns what should be a +ev situation into a huge -ev situation.

So i think the bottom line here is: Before you consider employing any grossly unbalanced strategy, first make sure your opponents have no idea how to play poker!
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Old 11-28-2007, 01:26 PM
Bone_Daddy Bone_Daddy is offline
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Default Re: Never C-betting with air.

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Against the ultimate calling station

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hey, thats me.
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