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11-26-2007, 05:33 PM
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Re: Interesting turn spot IP on QQJJ board vs LAGTAG
I think 3 betting pf is fine, his range seems to be wide enough.
As for turn play, this looks like a great spot to check behind. There is a good chance that we are ahead and I would hate getting blown off the best hand. He seems likely to bet alot of river cards if we check through and we will be able to pick up a bet there. If he is on a fd there is a good chance that he would have c/r the flop or he might be waiting for the turn. I really like a check behind here. 
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11-26-2007, 07:15 PM
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Re: Interesting turn spot IP on QQJJ board vs LAGTAG
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I think 3 betting pf is fine, his range seems to be wide enough. [/ QUOTE ] Good LAGTAGs (which we are assuming villain is) are expanding their range a lot more in late position than in early position. Oinkers: pros to betting: he could call down with a worse hand or chop that we are freerolling against, it discourages him from peeling lightly against us from a metagame POV, he could CR bluff and we are never folding. cons to betting: he could fold a hand that would pay off on the river (king high), he could fold a hand that would bluff the river (missed draw or small pair), he could value town us with a slowplayed hand. I feel that in general, against such LAGTAGs, I like to be able to check the turn and not get totally exploited, because my hand just isn't that good that often. Here we have a pretty strong chance of holding up if our hand is best (worst case is he has 12 outs with a king high flush draw I think, but that's clearly not common). I like situations where I can check with the strongest of my weak hands (if that makes any sense) because it protects me from having nasty decisions when I am checking with my weakest of my weak hands. I would check here. -DeathDonkey
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11-26-2007, 07:24 PM
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Re: Interesting turn spot IP on QQJJ board vs LAGTAG
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[ QUOTE ] I think 3 betting pf is fine, his range seems to be wide enough. [/ QUOTE ] Good LAGTAGs (which we are assuming villain is) are expanding their range a lot more in late position than in early position. [/ QUOTE ] Right, but this guy doesn't need to be a total spaz for 3 betting ATo to be correct. I think if villian were an unknown, 3 betting with AJo would be good. Since we know he is at least a little looser than the average bear, I think it's probably alright to open up with ATo, but that's as low as i'd limbo against all but the craziest UTG raiser, A9o is a quick muck.
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11-26-2007, 07:46 PM
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Re: Interesting turn spot IP on QQJJ board vs LAGTAG
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think 3 betting pf is fine, his range seems to be wide enough. [/ QUOTE ] Good LAGTAGs (which we are assuming villain is) are expanding their range a lot more in late position than in early position. [/ QUOTE ] Right, but this guy doesn't need to be a total spaz for 3 betting ATo to be correct. I think if villian were an unknown, 3 betting with AJo would be good. Since we know he is at least a little looser than the average bear, I think it's probably alright to open up with ATo, but that's as low as i'd limbo against all but the craziest UTG raiser, A9o is a quick muck. [/ QUOTE ] as a default for typical 10/20 game, 3-betting here is fine imo. How much of an edge do you people require?!
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#6
11-26-2007, 08:18 PM
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Re: Interesting turn spot IP on QQJJ board vs LAGTAG
IMO the 3-bet is good in this spot preflop. For the turn I like a check. A c/r on the turn can get pretty nasty and we are not folding against this guy. But since he has played with you before, if we did bet the turn and he did put in the raise knowing your not folding you may need to keep this in mind also.
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#7
11-26-2007, 08:22 PM
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Re: Interesting turn spot IP on QQJJ board vs LAGTAG
I think folding PF is just fine, though it depends on how SD bound villain is, the more foldy he gets post flop, obviously the better the 3bet becomes. But against a generic good playing lagtag (if such a thing exists) any edge you squeeze out by 3-betting is VERY marginal (even if you have an EQ edge, it's thin, an you are OOP in a very strong RIO situation). Maybe it's a function of running bad, but I think that cutting marginal OOP 3-bets like this out have helped me restore both my results and my sanity.
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#8
11-26-2007, 08:26 PM
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Re: Interesting turn spot IP on QQJJ board vs LAGTAG
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I think folding PF is just fine, though it depends on how SD bound villain is, the more foldy he gets post flop, obviously the better the 3bet becomes. But against a generic good playing lagtag (if such a thing exists) any edge you squeeze out by 3-betting is VERY marginal (even if you have an EQ edge, it's thin, an you are OOP in a very strong RIO situation). Maybe it's a function of running bad, but I think that cutting marginal OOP 3-bets like this out have helped me restore both my results and my sanity. [/ QUOTE ] This 3 bet is not OOP, we're on the button.
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#9
11-26-2007, 08:27 PM
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Re: Interesting turn spot IP on QQJJ board vs LAGTAG
To be fair mr. poohbear, we are in position. Still I think ATo is just super marginal. AJo I 3 bet of course but I don't really love it.
-DeathDonkey
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