NL 100: AKo Squeeze

Cody1982 · #1 11-26-2007, 05:09 PM

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sobos, I'm sorry but I don't see either a big or committing 3bet. He made about as standard of a 3bet as it gets. He's unknown so he's probably not a nit.

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AK is a good hand in this position but it's not a made had. It's only a big underdog to AA and a and a slighter dog to KK but our opponents actions say I have AA or KK. Now that I really think about it I think a fold is a very sound move here.

CalledDownLight · #2 11-26-2007, 05:09 PM

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sobos, I'm sorry but I don't see either a big or committing 3bet. He made about as standard of a 3bet as it gets. He's unknown so he's probably not a nit.

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AK is a good hand in this position but it's not a made had. It's only a big underdog to AA and a and a slighter dog to KK but our opponents actions say I have AA or KK. Now that I really think about it I think a fold is a very sound move here.

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AK is a better than than QQ in this spot and far far better than JJ

sobos · #3 11-26-2007, 05:18 PM

What are you defining as the villain's committing 3bet range (this is VERY different from a normal 3bet range) and a villain's 3bet coldcall range and assume he's calling your shove his entire range. Then, pokerstove your answer.

AK is so much better when you have FE, and you have VERY little FE here. I hate 4betting AK unless I know that the villain's 3bet range is very wide.

Cody1982 · #4 11-26-2007, 05:18 PM

AK is a good hand in this position but it's not a made had. It's only a big underdog to AA and a and a slighter dog to KK but our opponents actions say I have AA or KK. Now that I really think about it I think a fold is a very sound move here.

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AK is a better than than QQ in this spot and far far better than JJ

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Should I be wanting to push here when I'm a slight dog to one of my opponents QQ and the other could possibly have me dominated ?

CalledDownLight · #5 11-26-2007, 05:22 PM

If you know for sure that one of then has QQ and the other has whatever worse hand then this is like the easiest shove of all time. The stacks are too small with the dead money for this to even be a discussion. Even with a range of QQ+ for the button this shove is good.

sobos · #6 11-26-2007, 05:26 PM

Can you please explain to me why this is a good shove if his range is QQ+? You have next to zero FE, almost nothing invested, and poor pot equity. Please explain.

CalledDownLight · #7 11-26-2007, 05:30 PM

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Can you please explain to me why this is a good shove if his range is QQ+? You have next to zero FE, almost nothing invested, and poor pot equity. Please explain.

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Because you don't have poor pot equity. You have good pot equity. He has 6 combos QQ, 3 combos KK, 3 combos AA and $18.50 of dead money and only $38 more to you. Since his range is at least a little wider even if its only wider if he misclicked or is tilting then you can get it in.

Cody1982 · #8 11-26-2007, 05:34 PM

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Can you please explain to me why this is a good shove if his range is QQ+? You have next to zero FE, almost nothing invested, and poor pot equity. Please explain.

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Because you don't have poor pot equity. You have good pot equity. He has 6 combos QQ, 3 combos KK, 3 combos AA and $18.50 of dead money and only $38 more to you. Since his range is at least a little wider even if its only wider if he misclicked or is tilting then you can get it in.

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Could you please expand on this a little more. I think I have found a huge leak in my game cause what you are saying makes sense.

sobos · #9 11-26-2007, 05:58 PM

Your pot equity is about 33% and your pot odds are 42% if his range is QQKKAA. It seems -EV to shove given that you have no fold equity. If you include JJ in there, then your equity is about 39% and a shove is still -EV. If his range also includes AK, then you are about break-even. This is all assuming that you get one caller.

ship_it_trebek · #10 11-26-2007, 05:18 PM

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sobos, I'm sorry but I don't see either a big or committing 3bet. He made about as standard of a 3bet as it gets. He's unknown so he's probably not a nit.

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AK is a good hand in this position but it's not a made had. It's only a big underdog to AA and a and a slighter dog to KK but our opponents actions say I have AA or KK. Now that I really think about it I think a fold is a very sound move here.

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a 3bet and a flat call does not limit either players range to solely AA and KK