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11-26-2007, 12:29 PM
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Re: huge pot, protect Q split pair, A kicker on flop
cap pf. 3 bet the flop.
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#3
11-26-2007, 03:11 PM
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Re: huge pot, protect Q split pair, A kicker on flop
Cap preflop for value, even if the 3-bettor has TT, JJ AK, or even QQ you're still profiting from the cap.
Flop is an easy 3-bet for value, they could be doing this with flush draws, a weaker queen and the pot is so big you would like to fold out Ks, and bottom and middle pair.
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#4
11-26-2007, 03:22 PM
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Re: huge pot, protect Q split pair, A kicker on flop
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the pot is so big you would like to fold out Ks, and bottom and middle pair. [/ QUOTE ] do you really think they're folding now that they've gotten here and made a pair?
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#5
11-26-2007, 03:21 PM
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Re: huge pot, protect Q split pair, A kicker on flop
cap pf for value.
3betting the flop for value is ok, but i'm tempted to call, see what everyone does, and then hopefully pop the turn. this will also save us a bet or two when the turn is a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
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#6
11-26-2007, 04:39 PM
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Re: huge pot, protect Q split pair, A kicker on flop
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cap pf for value. 3betting the flop for value is ok, but i'm tempted to call, see what everyone does, and then hopefully pop the turn. this will also save us a bet or two when the turn is a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. [/ QUOTE ] I like this line better. You act right after the flop raiser so you can face the field with two on a safe turn.
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#7
11-27-2007, 10:13 AM
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Re: huge pot, protect Q split pair, A kicker on flop
*grunch*
If the table is crazy and they’re playing all sorts of junk preflop (even raising with them), then I’m capping with Aqs preflop. You have no reason to believe anyone has QQ+ or AK, so go for it! On the flop: I still see no reason to believe we don’t have the best hand, so I’m 3-betting. If anything, it’ll fold the BB who was the preflop raiser, and that may clear some ace-outs if we’re behind. If it gets capped, I’m still raising any non-club on the turn. Only when the (safe) turn gets 3-bet do I call down.
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#8
11-27-2007, 10:45 AM
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Re: huge pot, protect Q split pair, A kicker on flop
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On the flop: I still see no reason to believe we don’t have the best hand, so I’m 3-betting. If anything, it’ll fold the BB who was the preflop raiser, and that may clear some ace-outs if we’re behind. [/ QUOTE ] We are not worried about better aces hitting here unless it is a runner-runner to top two with AK. Clearing ace-outs is not a reason to raise in this spot.
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#9
11-27-2007, 11:39 AM
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Re: huge pot, protect Q split pair, A kicker on flop
it only takes one maniac to screw up all kinds of situations for the traditional player.
Bottom line when a maniac goes nuts preflop you have to bet for value. This is the time when you should be figuring out what cards you can raise with because of equity over the ranges of the other players. People forget that J10s for example has an equity edge over a lot of hands 3 and 4 way. So you may limp utg with J10s but if UTG +1 the maniac raises and 2 or 3 others call you can easily justify raising for value. After that its in the hands of the poker gods. With the hand above you have to bet the crap out of it and hope everyone misses their draws or you improve. It's tough to lose big pots but when you consider the fact that you win more than your share of them it really is a simple choice to bet like crazy when you have equity edge against loose wild players.
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