KK, + dry pot + deepstack overcall

[LuckyLloyd]

A couple things regarding betting the flop:

- Stacksize of villian is such that you can't continuation bet / fold;
- When a short stack is all in most players take a "lets check it down mentallity". If he fires at us on the turn or river he will never be bluffing.
- As such, if you check back this flop and bet a checked turn you will be in a great spot to take value off one pair hands you beat. Particularly BECAUSE you checked the flop back.

I really do not believe that checking this flop is all that bad. It is an odd situation where we almost never get bluffed off the best hand and he will play kinda faceup on the turn and river for us.


As for everything else; calling pre is fine. Min raising would be retarded obv.

You have to call the turn. I hate the river spot because you are getting a sick price - but I think it is a fold.

[JammyDodga]

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A couple things regarding betting the flop:

- Stacksize of villian is such that you can't continuation bet / fold;
- When a short stack is all in most players take a "lets check it down mentallity". If he fires at us on the turn or river he will never be bluffing.
- As such, if you check back this flop and bet a checked turn you will be in a great spot to take value off one pair hands you beat. Particularly BECAUSE you checked the flop back.

I really do not believe that checking this flop is all that bad. It is an odd situation where we almost never get bluffed off the best hand and he will play kinda faceup on the turn and river for us.


As for everything else; calling pre is fine. Min raising would be retarded obv.

You have to call the turn. I hate the river spot because you are getting a sick price - but I think it is a fold.

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Your right about the dry pot, but problem is that he could be value betting/portecting against draws with a worse hand if he does start betting, so I'm not sure it puts his hand as face up as you think.

You are right about not c-betting/folding, but with an under-repped overpair, I've got no intention of doing so. If i didn't push, id be bet/calling.

That said, I'd just push this flop right there and hope to get called by one pair or a draw not getting the odds. I'm happy getting it in on this flop, but the board is a bit drawy to be giving him a free card.

[Ford Fairlane]

sry for the quick post, have not that much time posting at work
given the stack sizes the BB is the only concern, and if he tends to squeeze in this spot then the flat call is superior to the isolation play
if the BB tends to cold call raises, in my opinion the 3-bet is better (although he would have to commit 1/5 of his stack, so an overcall is not that likely at all)
once you've just called and he overcalls and checks to you
I would bet out because very likely we have the best hand here and our overpair is vulnarable to a lot of holdings the BB can have

[brad2002tj]

I don't like playing kk multiway unless I know someone behind is likely to squeeze, so I push pre flop. As played bet flop.

[ChipSpeak]

Ace, I suspect you were attempting to induce a squeeze here?
Your thoughts as you're going through the hand would be great, you're a good thinking player, maybe I'm missing something. Particularly the check behind on this draw heavy flop.
As played, I think that flop needs a bet, not many cards come off the turn that we feel great about, we are letting him hit a huge draw, free. I like a check behind here on quite a few flops, possibly getting BB to commit.
The fold is fine, we're beat here the vast majority of times.