KJs vs LP mcTAG opener

[Babalatexi]

Apparently I misread the hand, I thought we had nothing on the turn but were just floating cause the flop was paired. Now I wouldn't mind a turn raise if villain bets.

[matrix]

woah - this thread got a lot more replies than I expected.

I am still not convinced that 3betting preflop vs a very ABC villain who I have position on is optimal with KJs - when called we are dominated or worse I think and when the pot gets big we have less playing room to try things postflop.

I think w/ position I can win a larger pot without 3betting than I can when I 3bet as usually when I 3b it gets folded pre. Perhaps I think wrong. It's good for shania certainly and I do 3b here sometimes I just chose to flat this time, partly cos *I* am uncomfortable playing 3bet pots still - I suppose the only way to get more comfortable is to practice.

Traz: "being squeezed" - getting squeezed at 50NL is so far down the list of things I worry about. IME it just doesn't happen often enough - and especially when the SB is big fish who thinks squeezing is for lemons (fish, lemon - oh nevermind) I take the point tho that this IS something you need to consider at higher limits. I'm happy if bigstacked fish SB comes for the ride and am expecting him to call lots here - then I have position on TWO bad players with a useful drawing hand and a "lot" =) of implied odds - which strikes me as not all that bad the 20% or so of the time I flop goot.

Perhaps I should raise bigger on the flop or plan instead to flat the flop and bet/raise a scary turn. When I raise flops it's usually to about that kind of size. I get folds often enough to make it profitable despite offering sweet odds for villain to chase his flush if the fd is what he has. I don't want to pay more than I have to to get the job done, IME so far at 50NL that kind of size works out OK as villains seem t worry more about "zomg he raised" than how much I raised and the odds they have after I do.

The way things work out if a non [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T hits or any non Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] I just hit the jackpot most likely and I check to preserve my implied odds hoping for a big payday, half expecting a bluff /misplaced value bet from villain on a sweet river for me - planning to check behind river again if villain gives up.

It didn't come and I crawl out of there thinking I folded the best hand a few% of the time - but putting villain on Axss more often than not.

Anyways lots of good food for thought here - thanks for the great content.

[P0kerJunkie]

I'm gonna go ahead and ask a damn noob question- i don't have PAHUD tho so maybe that helps explain it. is a 24 VPIP really characteristic of a "meowchow" TAG player? aren't TAGs closer to 17 or 18 VPIP? also not sure what the 2p2 means in this situation- prior to the stats. Thanks.

[corsakh]

Meochow is more of a pfr to vpip ratio.
20/10 is a meochow. 20/15 usually is not.

[P0kerJunkie]

right, i see. a little less imaginative with the 20/10, i guess. still, isn't 24 VPIP a bit high for a player to really be classified at 'tag'? i've read that 17 or 18 is about normal for a TAGgy player