NL $25 - Resteal from the blind gone wrong?

[Sounded Simple]

Hmmmm,
I might just let this one go pre-flop because the limper is in there.
I like a better read than just one steal before I go repoping.

As played since its 3-way I dont really want to c-bet, If im feeling frisky I might.

[Xanthro]

Some of the responses confuse me, perhaps they were made before the post was edited.

It appears to be HU SBvBB. I'd c-bet around $6.50 because that's the amount I'd bet here with AK and that board. I'd fold to a reraise, if called I'd evaluate the turn.

[Damntra]

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Some of the responses confuse me, perhaps they were made before the post was edited.

It appears to be HU SBvBB. I'd c-bet around $6.50 because that's the amount I'd bet here with AK and that board. I'd fold to a reraise, if called I'd evaluate the turn.

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No, the responses were made after the edit as the only thing I edited was the thread title because I made a typo.

What you guys aren't getting is the pot is heads up, but the SB only has 8 behind so I c-bet pretty much commits us with garbage.

[ship_it_trebek]

didn't see stack size c/f then. I still don't like the 3bet preflop

[RapidLearner]

I would fold preflop and try to get a better read than "he raised the button last time." There isn't much one can infer from 2 steals in a row other than the fact that the guy can raise in position.

If you're unfamiliar with Bayesian inference, you can check it out here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_inference

It's also discussed in <u>Mathematics of Poker</u>. You need more evidence about villain's play to reraise liberally here.

As played, if stacks were deeper, I find that people are less likely to cold call out of the big blind with an AX hand than they are a pocket pair. This flop misses most of those PPs, so I would bet and give up on the rest of the hand if called/raised, unless a really great bluff card shows up on the turn. You should be able to fold out JJ-22 (which didn't hit their set), and possibly QQ or KK.
With deeper stack sizes, if villain cold-calls out of the big blind with a hand like AQ or AJ and refuses to fold the flop, make a note of his looseness and take him to valuetown the next time you DO have a hand like AK/AQ/AA/77/22 in this spot.

As played with the actual stack sizes, c/f all streets unless you runner-runner 2pair+ on a check-down.

[Xanthro]

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What you guys aren't getting is the pot is heads up, but the SB only has 8 behind so I c-bet pretty much commits us with garbage.

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I get it's heads up, BB is either got a monster and was somehow afraid to raise pre-flop thinking it would scare everyone out, or has crap and a called anyway.

At 25NL this is often just crap. Small pocket pair, SC and the like.

Since BB recently came to the table, and is short, it means he brought in short. Often these players are set miners (who do so without any odds). They'll fold to a bet here if they don't make a set, and push if they do.

Sure, you're commited to their short stack push, but you'll take this down very often.

You've taken the iniative, why give it up on an A high flop? The card most likely to be in your hand.

[Xanthro]

Why is everyone responding as if this is a three way pot?

It's heads up SB vs BB.

[Sounded Simple]

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Some of the responses confuse me, perhaps they were made before the post was edited.

It appears to be HU SBvBB. I'd c-bet around $6.50 because that's the amount I'd bet here with AK and that board. I'd fold to a reraise, if called I'd evaluate the turn.

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No, the responses were made after the edit as the only thing I edited was the thread title because I made a typo.

What you guys aren't getting is the pot is heads up, but the SB only has 8 behind so I c-bet pretty much commits us with garbage.

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Sorry! Dunno how I misread that one.
My pre-flop thoughts still stand.

Post flop your pretty much guessing without a read, he is not folding an ace and he may well look you up with any pair so Im tempted to let it go.

[ranka]

Fold preflop. As you said, these guys are unknowns and you can't even guess their ranges. Maybe button is a nit and he don't raise (steal blinds) without a real hand. Maybe they are loose stations who are ready to gamble. Why you risk? Why? You are SB and why you are protecting your SB with a quite weak hand against unknowns. So, its very clear fold to me.

As played, I would check/fold flop. As Sounded Simple said - its 3way. But I want to add: As I already said - they are unknowns and now you completely missed your flop. You don't have clue what is their range but I think ace is in their range. Just check/fold the flop.

Shortly: I don't recommend to protect your blind (especially small blind) with a weak hand against unknowns.