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11-21-2007, 03:04 PM
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Re: AA waits till turn
think about what BB would donk and act accordingly. I wouldn't be to happy about my hand here against a decent player. Twopair, straight, SD, FD and sets is in his range. If I raise it's because I hope BB reraises and pushes UTG+1 out of the pot. But I would just call flop and reevaluate turn. I don't think I'll raise anywhere in this hand if the board doesn't pair or if I hit a set.
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#2
11-21-2007, 03:13 PM
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Re: AA waits till turn
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think about what BB would donk and act accordingly. I wouldn't be to happy about my hand here against a decent player. Twopair, straight, SD, FD and sets is in his range. If I raise it's because I hope BB reraises and pushes UTG+1 out of the pot. But I would just call flop and reevaluate turn. I don't think I'll raise anywhere in this hand if the board doesn't pair or if I hit a set. [/ QUOTE ] Running bad? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#3
11-21-2007, 03:19 PM
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Re: AA waits till turn
[ QUOTE ]
think about what BB would donk and act accordingly. I wouldn't be to happy about my hand here against a decent player. Twopair, straight, SD, FD and sets is in his range. If I raise it's because I hope BB reraises and pushes UTG+1 out of the pot. But I would just call flop and reevaluate turn. I don't think I'll raise anywhere in this hand if the board doesn't pair or if I hit a set. [/ QUOTE ] wow, really? do others agree with this?
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#5
11-21-2007, 03:54 PM
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Re: AA waits till turn
I'm raising the flop because there are a lot of cards that drop on the turn that make me not as happy with my hand/ not want to be calling turn 3-bets. Plus they probably have crap and I have no problem with fast playing flops with the best hand.
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#6
11-22-2007, 12:42 PM
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Re: AA waits till turn
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I'm raising the flop because there are a lot of cards that drop on the turn that make me not as happy with my hand/ not want to be calling turn 3-bets. Plus they probably have crap and I have no problem with fast playing flops with the best hand. [/ QUOTE ] yes but they will both almost certainly call another turn bet, its not protecting our hand, just juicing up the pot for the turn
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#7
11-22-2007, 01:29 PM
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Re: AA waits till turn
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[ QUOTE ] I'm raising the flop because there are a lot of cards that drop on the turn that make me not as happy with my hand/ not want to be calling turn 3-bets. Plus they probably have crap and I have no problem with fast playing flops with the best hand. [/ QUOTE ] yes but they will both almost certainly call another turn bet, its not protecting our hand, just juicing up the pot for the turn [/ QUOTE ] - The pot is medium sized, so I think you should be more interested in betting for value than for protection. - No amount of bets will protect you from good draws (they always have the odds to call). So just charge them the max while you're pretty sure your equity is good. - If juicing the pot now induces villain to make a bad call on the turn with a 2,3,4 or 5 outer then that's fine.
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#8
11-22-2007, 02:02 PM
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Re: AA waits till turn
Your opponents don't know you have AA. I would raise, as there are many cards on the turn that will dissuade BB from betting again. Even if utg+1 folded the flop, I wouldn't wait for the turn. But since he called, get the money in while it's hot. You can't guarantee a turn bet from BB nor a call from the hijack.
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#9
11-22-2007, 02:15 PM
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Re: AA waits till turn
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[ QUOTE ] I'm raising the flop because there are a lot of cards that drop on the turn that make me not as happy with my hand/ not want to be calling turn 3-bets. Plus they probably have crap and I have no problem with fast playing flops with the best hand. [/ QUOTE ] yes but they will both almost certainly call another turn bet, its not protecting our hand, just juicing up the pot for the turn [/ QUOTE ] who ever said I was protecting my hand (although I can be against 2-5 outers)? I'm raising for pure value.
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#10
11-21-2007, 03:57 PM
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Re: AA waits till turn
You make good points and my default is definitely to raise the flop. But my reasoning was like this: I expect BB to bet again on a lot of turn cards. Maybe not a spade 4 or 5 unless he hit a draw. I'm not worried about UTG+1. BB's range is a lot of one pair hands, straight draws (including gutshots) and flush draws - of course there's sets and two pair as well (I discount these a bit because he didn't go for the CR on the drawy board to force out UTG+1).
Against this range my equity changes dramatically on the turn, so when a non scare card falls (almost every scare card for my opponent is a scare card for me too) and BB leads out I get to raise two players with the improved equity. If a scare card hits and he still bets I can call down now that my equity is even lower still. I think this is a reasonable thought process but is my logic flawed anywhere? Or is it just better to get the bets in now?
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