Sporting troll PLO8Killer

[MEbenhoe]

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yaeahaaa... I only skimmed thru the thread after it was confirmed that its PLO8facekilla.

The guy is either a complete idiot or a very clever troll. Im not keen on having him around either way.


edit: okay now I read it, seems there is a little controversity; All I can say is that he used to post about Omaha in the HU forum trying to derail threads that were CLEARLY about holdem. He would go along and make ridiculous statements and when people asked him for reasoning he would say "Well, in Omaha..."

Ive had a quick fight with him about this stuff once, but then continued to ignore him.


edit2: The truly annoying thing about this was that he would not immediately say that he is referring to omaha. He would have a 10 post discussion with people trying to prove a point and only after a while make it clear that he is talking about omaha. All of this in threads that were clearly referring to holdem.

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Ban obv

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matt,

in general i accept that the modding style in SE is much lighter than my own, and that's what the forum wants. but i think you could be a little more proactive in terms of 'guiding' or banning posters who are perpetually and ludicrously wrong all the [censored] time, who refuse to listen to others' arguments, who repeat the same argument over and over after it has been clearly and totally discredited, etc.

yeah, sporting events trolling is basically a matter of degree. and when a [censored] troll like tuq is saying that some people are out of line to the point it warrants intervention, i think that indicates a pretty huge degree. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

i think it should be quiet, discrete, rare, and totally up to you, but i do think a few people need to get straightened out in that forum.

[MEbenhoe]

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but i think you could be a little more proactive in terms of 'guiding' or banning posters who are perpetually and ludicrously wrong all the [censored] time, who refuse to listen to others' arguments, who repeat the same argument over and over after it has been clearly and totally discredited, etc.



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I think you just described every sports forum on the internet and for that matter every sports discussion/argument that has ever taken place in history.

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I think you just described every sports forum on the internet and for that matter every sports discussion/argument that has ever taken place in history.

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so because most people are retards when it comes to sports we should let them all be as retarded as they want?

if that's the case i am going to start having some real fun in that forum

[MEbenhoe]

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I think you just described every sports forum on the internet and for that matter every sports discussion/argument that has ever taken place in history.

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so because most people are retards when it comes to sports we should let them all be as retarded as they want?

if that's the case i am going to start having some real fun in that forum

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We obviously just have different views of how a forum should be modded. You think people should be banned for being wrong or disagreeing with you, I think they should be banned if they break the T&Cs.

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how i mod my forum has a lot to do with how OOT users like it to be modded, i don't think people should be banned for disagreeing with me, that's an obviously retarded statement. i specifically stated otherwise in my last post, in fact. and if i was a mod of SE (which i would probably hate and am not a good fit for) i would mod it MUCH less stringently than OOT because that's what its users prefer.

i am not even saying you have to ban someone. i am saying the fact that your users are constantly calling for bans means they are dissatisfied with some element of the moderation - namely, the fact that people are allowed to basically be utterly retarded so long as they don't tell anyone to die in a grease fire or post a link to an NFL game streaming. but your response to that is to ban the messenger instead of asking what your users actually want, and then to ignore a very diplomatic and constructive post on my part because you think i am just a nazi.

[MEbenhoe]

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namely, the fact that people are allowed to basically be utterly retarded so long as they don't tell anyone to die in a grease fire or post a link to an NFL game streaming. but your response to that is to ban the messenger instead of asking what your users actually want

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The problem with sports is that there is a certain group of posters who study the game at a ridiculously statistically based level that think anyone who talks like the average fan is "utterly retarded". Yes these people are more often than not right in their arguments about the subject at hand, but they have unrealistic expectations that everyone should look at sports the way they do. Really what fun would these discussions be if they were just like, Peyton Manning is awesome because it statistically says he is awesome, yes i agree the stats do say that Manning is awesome, Yes lets continue to talk about Mannings statistical domination of the game of football, etc. Cmon a good sports forums needs the nuts who despite all statistical evidence are biased enough to say Peyton Manning sucks, or conspiracy theorists to talk about how the league fixes games. If you want to have deep statistically-based discussions of a sport start a thread to discuss things at this level and I'll police it like crazy to make sure the nuts stay out of it, but expecting this to be an across the board thing is just too much.

2p2 posters in general hate that which doesn't think like them. And honestly, there is absolutely zero value in people posting in threads in a forum that isn't ATF about banning a poster. So call it banning the messenger if you want, but there is a built in feature in the forum software that gives the people the ability to say "HEY BAN THIS GUY!!!!", expecting people to use this instead of derailing a thread to talk about how somebody needs to be banned for their crackpot theory that the nfl is out to get the patriots isn't asking much. In reality, I think if this was a rule across the board that people calling out for bans in thread would receive a temp ban of their own, the forums would actually see a nice improvement from this. Actually wasn't this a rule in OOT for awhile under [censored]'s reign?

[MEbenhoe]

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i am saying the fact that your users are constantly calling for bans means they are dissatisfied with some element of the moderation

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Again, like the 90% thing xorbie said, this is a huge exaggeration. There are two examples of this recently Assani and PLO8facekilla, while for a long stretch there are basically no examples of this. The Assani one was ridiculous, and once the subject was really brought up he prob had more supporters than detractors. PLO8, like I've said I could care less if he's banned, but I don't go looking for reasons to ban people, and he really hasn't done anything that out of line in terms of the rules these forums were originally formed with. I mean really, you guys have all been around to remember when Mat was the only mod, and the only thing that got you banned was a clear violation of the T&C's. Obviously I think we've progressed and should from this, but I really still think some of you guys are a little ban-happy.

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when a [censored] troll like tuq is saying that some people are out of line to the point it warrants intervention, i think that indicates a pretty huge degree.

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EXACTLY!!!