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11-20-2007, 06:38 PM
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Re: Official NE Patriots gogogogo to the SB thread
I'd say u guys keeping Moss is 50/50 at best esp if u guys go undefeated and or win SB. This is mainly due to the fact that I assume NE won't offer him a good contract...they'll try to get him at a drastically reduced rate.
The whole legacy/happy blah blah blah is great if NE offers him a solid contract compared to what other teams will offer. But if they do their usual hardball then I see Moss signing his last NFL contract elsewhere. Losing Moss would be a massive hit to your passing attack. He can't be replaced. 
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11-20-2007, 06:53 PM
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Re: Official NE Patriots gogogogo to the SB thread
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I'd say u guys keeping Moss is 50/50 at best esp if u guys go undefeated and or win SB. This is mainly due to the fact that I assume NE won't offer him a good contract...they'll try to get him at a drastically reduced rate. The whole legacy/happy blah blah blah is great if NE offers him a solid contract compared to what other teams will offer. But if they do their usual hardball then I see Moss signing his last NFL contract elsewhere. Losing Moss would be a massive hit to your passing attack. He can't be replaced. [/ QUOTE ] the Pats have paid big money to certain guys. they gave Brady a ton, Rosevelt Colvin a lot, Richard Seymour, Matt Light, etc. basically if they felt production would continue AND they couldn't replace the player with a better value, they have paid. this might be the case for Moss. now, there is always some team out there will to do something dumb and throw out stupid money. the Pats won't cripple their cap for Moss, but for instance I think they would gladly pay him the money that Deion Branch was asking for. also how much Moss really enjoys playing here is an x factor. he could very well leave money on the table if he thinks that having a chance at SB's/being the #1 WR in the league is worth it. he already HAS a ton of money, so this isn't like Asante Samuel, Deion Branch, Daniel Graham, Damien Woody etc etc who were all playing on their rookie deals and left/will leave for their first big deal. Moss has probably made $65m in the NFL already. he earned $55m of his $75m deal, + his rookie deal, + $5m this year. so, he cut his salary in half in order to come to NE. this may have been b/c he really wanted to play for a good team, or it may been b/c he figured he would be awesome and command a huge deal for someone else after 1 year. we'll see.
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11-20-2007, 06:58 PM
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Re: Official NE Patriots gogogogo to the SB thread
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Samuel was promised they will not slap Franchise tag on him again. If need be, franchise Moss. [/ QUOTE ] hmm I hadn't thought of that. I guess it would be possible, and that would pay him $8m. I think franchising him for another year or 2 would be fine, though I'm not sure if he wants that
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#5
11-20-2007, 07:02 PM
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Re: Official NE Patriots gogogogo to the SB thread
Not that I think it is very likely but if the Pats are unable to get any real value for their 2-5 pick and have to draft someone, what are the odds the go with Jake Long/Sam Baker? They seem to have a thing for lineman and a great OT could take over the right side for now and possibly move over if Light moves on. Other than that, I really can't see anyone worth taking. Maroney is fine, even a little underrated, and, as Sammy Morris has shown this year, an average back can put up great numbers behind a great line.
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#7
11-20-2007, 07:22 PM
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Re: Official NE Patriots gogogogo to the SB thread
Hasn't Belichick been an admirer of Moss for a long time? Isn't that part of the reason he was traded for? If so, I'm sure the Patriots will make a competitive bid for Moss. After all, it's really Brady and Moss who are the critical pieces of what might be the best offense in NFL history? Why would Belichick let a critical piece of that just walk away?
As far as drafting a running back with a top 5 pick, don't make any assumptions about "what the Patriots do". Belichick's approach is to get the most out of his players/resources. In Brady's early years, they used lots of short passes as a pseudo-running game. Now, they air it out a lot. The reason for the change was due to new personel. If the Patriots find themselves with a running back who can regularly put up 100 yard games, you can be sure that running back will be given the ball 20-25 times. It would only make Brady a more dangerous QB if he had a great running back.
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#8
11-20-2007, 07:23 PM
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Re: Official NE Patriots gogogogo to the SB thread
i think if the pats had a choice between samuel and moss they'd sign moss. samuel is clearly going to go for max dollars and the pats are not going to pay that for him.
i also don't think they'd want to franchise Moss. it would piss him off. i think there's a decent chance he resigns at a reasonable deal, it would have to be no fluff, mostly guaranteed, 3 or 4 years. it would be hilarious if they franchise samuel again but i doubt they'll do it. i think he's a good CB but still somewhat a product of the system, not going to be worth what he'll command. i would guess right now that the probabilities are something like. 1. sign moss, let samuel walk 2. both walk 3. franchise moss, samuel walks 4. sign samuel, moss walks or signs 5. franchise samuel, moss walks or signs with one and two not being far apart, and the rest being fairly unlikely. i think they'll trade down and draft mostly for the front 7 on defense. pats have shown that they can find talented, good-fit skill players in the latter rounds and i think they'll continue to do that. if the draft is deep or if they can find someone desperate to get mcfadden they might trade for a 1st rounder plus more this year, if not i expect it would be something like 2nd round this year plus at least a first in the future.
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#9
11-20-2007, 07:25 PM
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Re: Official NE Patriots gogogogo to the SB thread
Here's a 2008 NFL mock draft
The Patriots are at #4 and get McFadden. This guy seems to put some effort into his work. So, I assume it's at least a reasonable mock. You college football experts will have to weigh in.
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#10
11-20-2007, 07:36 PM
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Re: Official NE Patriots gogogogo to the SB thread
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Here's a 2008 NFL mock draft The Patriots are at #4 and get McFadden. This guy seems to put some effort into his work. So, I assume it's at least a reasonable mock. You college football experts will have to weigh in. [/ QUOTE ] i dunno, he makes no mention of the fact that the pats front office is not inclined to draft that high and invest lots of cap space in a highly replaceable position that in all likelihood represents a marginal upgrade. i would say that by far the most likely scenario is the pats trading down, the only reason not to is if one of the top DE's falls for some reason and they really like him, but i doubt it would happen. most likely scenario = pats trade down. i'd say probably about 3 to 1 but i'm not betting on it.
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