100/200 - 2 decisions vs p3achy

[ActionJeff]

I don't really think this is that interesting.

Raise turn > 80% of the time.... and you should be stabbed if you don't value bet this river. Not sure what to do vs. a shove, gotta soulread

and even if I didn't know what to do vs. a shove I still think its a bet, there's no way this isn't a bet

[Ansky]

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I don't really think this is that interesting.

Raise turn > 80% of the time.... and you should be stabbed if you don't value bet this river. Not sure what to do vs. a shove, gotta soulread

and even if I didn't know what to do vs. a shove I still think its a bet, there's no way this isn't a bet

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it's closer than you think... u think he is potting and calling a raise on the turn, then paying off a riv bet w/ 88, 99 here? Not saying i dont think so, just curious if u think that would be standard here. Or do you think most of his range is QJs KJs type hands? Or do you want to bet to induce a c/r bluff?

[Terkman]

Whats your plan on a turn push?

[Ansky]

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Whats your plan on a turn push?

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call

[Eagles]

Ansky,
Is there really any difference between KJ and 88?

edit: I suppose there is but its pretty marginal. I mean the onyl hands it makes a difference for are like QJ/J9/J8 but I don't think your raising teh turn and betting the river with like any of those.

[Ansky]

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Ansky,
Is there really any difference between KJ and 88?

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less combos of jacks left in the deck, tho w/ 88 less combos of 98...

anyway, there is a difference.

[mikech]

if you're not vbetting tptk on the river with this relatively dry board then aren't you making life way too easy for peachy?

[ahnuld]

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if you're not vbetting tptk on the river with this relatively dry board then aren't you making life way too easy for peachy?

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this and once he doesnt shove turn, can we ever really be behind? I mean he knows you probabably will call a turn shove on the lighter side, (meaning one pair). Although, given that there are so few draws it would be pretty sick of him to flat call a huge hand on the turn since he knows you are likely to vb thin on the river and if your range on the turn is air or AJ, KJ, QQ ish then it makes sense that he might mix it up. I guess it depends on your history and how monkey you guys go at it. If you both have a history of getting it in light and crazy thin calls/bluffs then id expect him to have us beat almost never. If you guys respect each other a lot and play a more normal game towards each other than I dont go for value here.

[greg nice]

i dont make much of the turn pot $1400 bet. why do you think thats important compared to say $1000?

peachy is def tough, but he WILL look up if he suspects something fishy going on. that said, i dont think your line instills that suspicion, and i would be surprised if he didnt play straightfowrard here, only calling with better hands. so id check the river. i dont think htis is a 100% bet at all, unless you have history with thin vbetting and range merging and all that

btw calling the turn is pretty standard for me in this spot. maybe im losing value. but i like the deception that position offers me here. and i dont like betting to induce river cr with these stacks and pot size. doesnt feel right.

[Terkman]

I think this is a clear valuebet btw. Can't see him c/r bluffing you here, but he may give you more credit for being able to bet/fold river than a f'king euro...