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Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)
I must be missing something.151.4-99.7 = 51.7
Where did you get the 100 figure? |
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Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)
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No folding. [/ QUOTE ] QFE. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] BB raises to $99.7, Hero raises to $151.4 ??? [/ QUOTE ] Whats wrong with that? It's not like we're giving villain odds to set mine or anything. Or do you think it looks too strong? I think it's fine. [/ QUOTE ] It's not that bad if hero min4bets all hands in his 4betting range like this, but i have a feeling that this is not the case.Usually min4bet = KK or AA and our hand is kinda face up.And we do give villain the odds to set mine, he is calling 50 more for 700 hero's possible stack. [/ QUOTE ] Read the hand again, villain needs to call $100. He's kind of on the border for set mining odds, but definitely on the -EV sides. $100 into a $300 pot, plus $550 for Hero's stack. So 8.5:1 maximum, but his set equity goes down a little bit in the $300 main pot because of the SS's hand. I think that jfish's line is the best, $155/shove all turns. |
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Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)
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<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $48</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $99.7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $151.4</font>, Button calls $103.40. [/ QUOTE ] sorry to be such a nit [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)
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I must be missing something.151.4-99.7 = 51.7 Where did you get the 100 figure? [/ QUOTE ] Hero PFRs UTG, villain 3bets OTB to $50, BB shortie min4bets all-in to $100, Hero min5bets to $150, villain (BTN) calls $100. |
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Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)
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[ QUOTE ] I must be missing something.151.4-99.7 = 51.7 Where did you get the 100 figure? [/ QUOTE ] Hero PFRs UTG, villain 3bets OTB to $50, BB shortie min4bets all-in to $100, Hero min5bets to $150, villain (BTN) calls $100. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks, i misread the action.Still prefer to isolate him with a bigger reraise being OOP and just stay with the allin guy.Would make it 185-200 or so. The problem in pots like this is he won't give you a lot of action with hands you crush, because the other guy is allin and you aren't bluffing in majority of the cases.And this size of a reraise might induce JJ-QQ and AK to shove. Mini4bet looks exactly like a monster. |
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Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)
Thanks for all the replies so far.
To summarize: Pre-Flop there was a 5-bet which villain called with another player being already all-in. Flop: Main Pot: $300 Side Pot: $104 Stacks : $530 The majority opinion is to bet and get it in now or on the turn. Do I also play for stacks if my hand were JJ/TT? |
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Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)
Button ($683.30) SB ($445.70) BB ($99.70) Hero ($703.45) MP ($408) CO ($374) Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $48</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $99.7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $151.4</font>, Button calls $103.40. Flop: ($404.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $200</font>, Button calls $200. Turn: ($804.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Everyone agrees to get in here with KK. What is the worst hand you push here? |
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Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Button ($683.30) SB ($445.70) BB ($99.70) Hero ($703.45) MP ($408) CO ($374) Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $48</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $99.7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $151.4</font>, Button calls $103.40. Flop: ($404.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $200</font>, Button calls $200. Turn: ($804.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Everyone agrees to get in here with KK. What is the worst hand you push here? [/ QUOTE ] KK, cfolding QQ |
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Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)
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[ QUOTE ] Everyone agrees to get in here with KK. What is the worst hand you push here? [/ QUOTE ] KK, cfolding QQ [/ QUOTE ] If you don't go broke here with QQ or less why should a thinking villain go broke here with QQ or less? Therefore I assumed his range is AA/KK for the most part. I check folded the turn. Is my reasoning flawed? PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Button ($683.30) SB ($445.70) BB ($99.70) Hero ($703.45) MP ($408) CO ($374) Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $48</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $99.7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $151.4</font>, Button calls $103.40. Flop: ($404.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $200</font>, Button calls $200. Turn: ($804.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $331.9 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds. |
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Re: (NL400) KK in 5-Bet Pot (3-way,175BB deep)
push turn man.
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