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11-16-2007, 10:33 PM
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Re: Liberty Dollar office raided
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[ QUOTE ] Just to make my position clear, this sort of "just doing their jobs" bull [censored] justifies anything evil. If "just doing your job" justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and confiscating the private property of people for the incredible offense of stamping little bits of metal into circles, then it justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and violating anyone's rights for any reason at all. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with you that the search warrant itself was wrong, but I believe you're incredibly ill informed if you believe every law enforcement officer is in total agreement over every search warrant they serve, and I also believe you're full of [censored] if you're going to tell me you would work for many years to make it to the top of your given career's ladder, then defiantly quit your job because you were told to perform a routine task that you didn't agree with. You can't honestly expect anyone to buy that idealistic bull [censored]. I just don't see it happening. [/ QUOTE ] Believe it or not, some of us do go through life refusing to do things we feel are morally wrong to others. It's not easy and is rarely rewarded. Of course, I would never expect a career law enforcement officer to quit their job over this warrant. They sold that piece of their soul many, many, many times before they ever got where they are today. 
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#2
11-16-2007, 10:38 PM
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Re: Liberty Dollar office raided
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Just to make my position clear, this sort of "just doing their jobs" bull [censored] justifies anything evil. If "just doing your job" justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and confiscating the private property of people for the incredible offense of stamping little bits of metal into circles, then it justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and violating anyone's rights for any reason at all. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with you that the search warrant itself was wrong, but I believe you're incredibly ill informed if you believe every law enforcement officer is in total agreement over every search warrant they serve, and I also believe you're full of [censored] if you're going to tell me you would work for many years to make it to the top of your given career's ladder, then defiantly quit your job because you were told to perform a routine task that you didn't agree with. You can't honestly expect anyone to buy that idealistic bull [censored]. I just don't see it happening. [/ QUOTE ] Believe it or not, some of us do go through life refusing to do things we feel are morally wrong to others. It's not easy and is rarely rewarded. Of course, I would never expect a career law enforcement officer to quit their job over this warrant. They sold that piece of their soul many, many, many times before they ever got where they are today. [/ QUOTE ] Can you cite whatever source or experience you have to back this absurd claim? Get a speeding ticket you didn't agree with or something?
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#3
11-16-2007, 10:43 PM
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Re: Liberty Dollar office raided
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Just to make my position clear, this sort of "just doing their jobs" bull [censored] justifies anything evil. If "just doing your job" justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and confiscating the private property of people for the incredible offense of stamping little bits of metal into circles, then it justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and violating anyone's rights for any reason at all. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with you that the search warrant itself was wrong, but I believe you're incredibly ill informed if you believe every law enforcement officer is in total agreement over every search warrant they serve, and I also believe you're full of [censored] if you're going to tell me you would work for many years to make it to the top of your given career's ladder, then defiantly quit your job because you were told to perform a routine task that you didn't agree with. You can't honestly expect anyone to buy that idealistic bull [censored]. I just don't see it happening. [/ QUOTE ] Believe it or not, some of us do go through life refusing to do things we feel are morally wrong to others. It's not easy and is rarely rewarded. Of course, I would never expect a career law enforcement officer to quit their job over this warrant. They sold that piece of their soul many, many, many times before they ever got where they are today. [/ QUOTE ] Can you cite whatever source or experience you have to back this absurd claim? Get a speeding ticket you didn't agree with or something? [/ QUOTE ] How does getting a speeding ticket equate to pointing a gun in someone's face and stealing twenty million dollars of property from them?
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#4
11-16-2007, 10:46 PM
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Re: Liberty Dollar office raided
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Just to make my position clear, this sort of "just doing their jobs" bull [censored] justifies anything evil. If "just doing your job" justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and confiscating the private property of people for the incredible offense of stamping little bits of metal into circles, then it justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and violating anyone's rights for any reason at all. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with you that the search warrant itself was wrong, but I believe you're incredibly ill informed if you believe every law enforcement officer is in total agreement over every search warrant they serve, and I also believe you're full of [censored] if you're going to tell me you would work for many years to make it to the top of your given career's ladder, then defiantly quit your job because you were told to perform a routine task that you didn't agree with. You can't honestly expect anyone to buy that idealistic bull [censored]. I just don't see it happening. [/ QUOTE ] Believe it or not, some of us do go through life refusing to do things we feel are morally wrong to others. It's not easy and is rarely rewarded. Of course, I would never expect a career law enforcement officer to quit their job over this warrant. They sold that piece of their soul many, many, many times before they ever got where they are today. [/ QUOTE ] Can you cite whatever source or experience you have to back this absurd claim? Get a speeding ticket you didn't agree with or something? [/ QUOTE ] How does getting a speeding ticket equate to pointing a gun in someone's face and stealing twenty million dollars of property from them? [/ QUOTE ] Didn't see anywhere in the article where any weapon was pointed at anyone's face.
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#5
11-16-2007, 10:51 PM
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Re: Liberty Dollar office raided
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Just to make my position clear, this sort of "just doing their jobs" bull [censored] justifies anything evil. If "just doing your job" justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and confiscating the private property of people for the incredible offense of stamping little bits of metal into circles, then it justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and violating anyone's rights for any reason at all. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with you that the search warrant itself was wrong, but I believe you're incredibly ill informed if you believe every law enforcement officer is in total agreement over every search warrant they serve, and I also believe you're full of [censored] if you're going to tell me you would work for many years to make it to the top of your given career's ladder, then defiantly quit your job because you were told to perform a routine task that you didn't agree with. You can't honestly expect anyone to buy that idealistic bull [censored]. I just don't see it happening. [/ QUOTE ] Believe it or not, some of us do go through life refusing to do things we feel are morally wrong to others. It's not easy and is rarely rewarded. Of course, I would never expect a career law enforcement officer to quit their job over this warrant. They sold that piece of their soul many, many, many times before they ever got where they are today. [/ QUOTE ] Can you cite whatever source or experience you have to back this absurd claim? Get a speeding ticket you didn't agree with or something? [/ QUOTE ] How does getting a speeding ticket equate to pointing a gun in someone's face and stealing twenty million dollars of property from them? [/ QUOTE ] Didn't see anywhere in the article where any weapon was pointed at anyone's face. [/ QUOTE ] What would have happened had they resisted?
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#6
11-16-2007, 10:57 PM
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Re: Liberty Dollar office raided
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Just to make my position clear, this sort of "just doing their jobs" bull [censored] justifies anything evil. If "just doing your job" justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and confiscating the private property of people for the incredible offense of stamping little bits of metal into circles, then it justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and violating anyone's rights for any reason at all. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with you that the search warrant itself was wrong, but I believe you're incredibly ill informed if you believe every law enforcement officer is in total agreement over every search warrant they serve, and I also believe you're full of [censored] if you're going to tell me you would work for many years to make it to the top of your given career's ladder, then defiantly quit your job because you were told to perform a routine task that you didn't agree with. You can't honestly expect anyone to buy that idealistic bull [censored]. I just don't see it happening. [/ QUOTE ] Believe it or not, some of us do go through life refusing to do things we feel are morally wrong to others. It's not easy and is rarely rewarded. Of course, I would never expect a career law enforcement officer to quit their job over this warrant. They sold that piece of their soul many, many, many times before they ever got where they are today. [/ QUOTE ] Can you cite whatever source or experience you have to back this absurd claim? Get a speeding ticket you didn't agree with or something? [/ QUOTE ] How does getting a speeding ticket equate to pointing a gun in someone's face and stealing twenty million dollars of property from them? [/ QUOTE ] Didn't see anywhere in the article where any weapon was pointed at anyone's face. [/ QUOTE ] What would have happened had they resisted? [/ QUOTE ] The little office ladies would've been yelled at in a slightly threatening manner LDO. Stop trying to make this FBI raid of an office building into some violent SWAT assault. Believe me, had it happened, they would've been all over it. Crying middle aged women saying things such as "The barrel of that gun was so long and black, I was terrified beyond belief!" make great sound bytes.
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#7
11-16-2007, 11:00 PM
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Yes, because when a dozen FBI and SS agents show up, there's no threat of force. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Perhaps they were all packing rainbows and sunshine.
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#8
11-16-2007, 11:08 PM
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Re: Liberty Dollar office raided
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Just to make my position clear, this sort of "just doing their jobs" bull [censored] justifies anything evil. If "just doing your job" justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and confiscating the private property of people for the incredible offense of stamping little bits of metal into circles, then it justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and violating anyone's rights for any reason at all. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with you that the search warrant itself was wrong, but I believe you're incredibly ill informed if you believe every law enforcement officer is in total agreement over every search warrant they serve, and I also believe you're full of [censored] if you're going to tell me you would work for many years to make it to the top of your given career's ladder, then defiantly quit your job because you were told to perform a routine task that you didn't agree with. You can't honestly expect anyone to buy that idealistic bull [censored]. I just don't see it happening. [/ QUOTE ] Believe it or not, some of us do go through life refusing to do things we feel are morally wrong to others. It's not easy and is rarely rewarded. Of course, I would never expect a career law enforcement officer to quit their job over this warrant. They sold that piece of their soul many, many, many times before they ever got where they are today. [/ QUOTE ] Can you cite whatever source or experience you have to back this absurd claim? Get a speeding ticket you didn't agree with or something? [/ QUOTE ] You stated: [ QUOTE ] I believe you're incredibly ill informed if you believe every law enforcement officer is in total agreement over every search warrant they serve [/ QUOTE ] I agree. At some point long before they "climbed to the top of their career ladder" every law enforcement officer faces many situations where believing in the liberty of others, the rule of law, or even right and wrong, is going to be a liability to their career. So, they make the choice. Of course, if you don't have any of those morals things are much simpler. Have you ever had to make those decisions? The arguement that I've been here to long for my morals too have any relevance is ridiculous (to me).
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#9
11-16-2007, 11:38 PM
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Re: Liberty Dollar office raided
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At some point long before they "climbed to the top of their career ladder" every law enforcement officer faces many situations where believing in the liberty of others, the rule of law, or even right and wrong, is going to be a liability to their career. So, they make the choice. Of course, if you don't have any of those morals things are much simpler. Have you ever had to make those decisions? The arguement that I've been here to long for my morals too have any relevance is ridiculous (to me). [/ QUOTE ] No, I haven't. All warrants go through a constitutional process, if they don't the findings of the search are thrown out of court. I may not personally agree with the reason for every warrant I've ever served, but I've also never felt that I was causing irreconcilable damage to anyone either. Go to court, fight it. That's why the courts are in place. Can you please explain to me the details you know of the process a sworn law officer goes through to obtain a warrant? I'm just curious because I'm trying to figure out exactly who I'm dealing with here.
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11-17-2007, 12:14 AM
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Re: Liberty Dollar office raided
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[ QUOTE ] At some point long before they "climbed to the top of their career ladder" every law enforcement officer faces many situations where believing in the liberty of others, the rule of law, or even right and wrong, is going to be a liability to their career. So, they make the choice. Of course, if you don't have any of those morals things are much simpler. Have you ever had to make those decisions? The arguement that I've been here to long for my morals too have any relevance is ridiculous (to me). [/ QUOTE ] No, I haven't. All warrants go through a constitutional process, if they don't the findings of the search are thrown out of court. I may not personally agree with the reason for every warrant I've ever served, [/ QUOTE ] Why did you serve them? [ QUOTE ] but I've also never felt that I was causing irreconcilable damage to anyone either. Go to court, fight it. That's why the courts are in place. [/ QUOTE ] What do you consider irreconcilable damage? Does shutting down someones business and seizing all their assets meet the stadard? Causing someone to lose their job? Incarcerating them for any period of time when they committed no crime? How do you fight in court with no assets? How do you pay the rent and expenses generated by your business when you have no revenue and no assets? How do you reconcile things if the court does eventually throw out the warrant? Will they unbankrupt you? Will they contact all your lost customers and explain that it was all a big mistake and that you did nothing wrong? Will they decide that the person who requested or issued the bogus warrant should pay for their actions? [ QUOTE ] Can you please explain to me the details you know of the process a sworn law officer goes through to obtain a warrant? I'm just curious because I'm trying to figure out exactly who I'm dealing with here. [/ QUOTE ] I'm sure you understand the process for obtaining warrants much better than I do. However, if the process isn't subject to some level of abuse by LE and the DA, could you explain to me why the courts would ever throw out a warrant?
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