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11-16-2007, 07:02 PM
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Re: November 14th: House Judiciary Committee Hearing Thread
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Shelley Berkley is so awesome that I think I could convince my wife that a divorce would be a good idea so I could marry the esteemed Congresswoman. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, she's so awesome that she voted FOR the UIGEA. See http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll516.xml. Now she wants to "study" whether it should be revisited. Oh yeah, that's political courage, all right. 
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11-16-2007, 07:47 PM
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Re: November 14th: House Judiciary Committee Hearing Thread
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[ QUOTE ] Shelley Berkley is so awesome that I think I could convince my wife that a divorce would be a good idea so I could marry the esteemed Congresswoman. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, she's so awesome that she voted FOR the UIGEA. See http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll516.xml. Now she wants to "study" whether it should be revisited. Oh yeah, that's political courage, all right. [/ QUOTE ] She was one of the few who publicly opposed the UIGEA and gave a pretty impassioned speech on it. She voted for the Safe Port Act if anything not the UIGEA.
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11-16-2007, 07:56 PM
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Re: November 14th: House Judiciary Committee Hearing Thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Shelley Berkley is so awesome that I think I could convince my wife that a divorce would be a good idea so I could marry the esteemed Congresswoman. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, she's so awesome that she voted FOR the UIGEA. See http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll516.xml. Now she wants to "study" whether it should be revisited. Oh yeah, that's political courage, all right. [/ QUOTE ] She was one of the few who publicly opposed the UIGEA and gave a pretty impassioned speech on it. She voted for the Safe Port Act if anything not the UIGEA. [/ QUOTE ] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb1pzayqPaI
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11-16-2007, 07:59 PM
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Re: November 14th: House Judiciary Committee Hearing Thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Shelley Berkley is so awesome that I think I could convince my wife that a divorce would be a good idea so I could marry the esteemed Congresswoman. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, she's so awesome that she voted FOR the UIGEA. See http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll516.xml. Now she wants to "study" whether it should be revisited. Oh yeah, that's political courage, all right. [/ QUOTE ] She was one of the few who publicly opposed the UIGEA and gave a pretty impassioned speech on it. She voted for the Safe Port Act if anything not the UIGEA. [/ QUOTE ] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb1pzayqPaI [/ QUOTE ] I never get tired of watching this!!!! She rocks
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#5
11-17-2007, 06:32 AM
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Re: November 14th: House Judiciary Committee Hearing Thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Shelley Berkley is so awesome that I think I could convince my wife that a divorce would be a good idea so I could marry the esteemed Congresswoman. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, she's so awesome that she voted FOR the UIGEA. See http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll516.xml. Now she wants to "study" whether it should be revisited. Oh yeah, that's political courage, all right. [/ QUOTE ] She was one of the few who publicly opposed the UIGEA and gave a pretty impassioned speech on it. She voted for the Safe Port Act if anything not the UIGEA. [/ QUOTE ] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb1pzayqPaI [/ QUOTE ] I never get tired of watching this!!!! She rocks [/ QUOTE ] I might agree, if she had actually voted against the bill. Then her actions would match her rhetoric. As it is, she said all the right things, but did the wrong thing. If saying the right thing while doing the wrong thing is what you deem to make somebody "rock," well, so be it. I simply disagree. Actions speak far louder than words. She voted for the UIGEA when the final version was up for a vote. Period. Given that unarguable fact, it's awfully hard for me to consider her on the right side of the issue.
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#6
11-17-2007, 06:23 AM
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Re: November 14th: House Judiciary Committee Hearing Thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Shelley Berkley is so awesome that I think I could convince my wife that a divorce would be a good idea so I could marry the esteemed Congresswoman. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, she's so awesome that she voted FOR the UIGEA. See http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll516.xml. Now she wants to "study" whether it should be revisited. Oh yeah, that's political courage, all right. [/ QUOTE ] She was one of the few who publicly opposed the UIGEA and gave a pretty impassioned speech on it. She voted for the Safe Port Act if anything not the UIGEA. [/ QUOTE ] It was not possible to vote for the ports act and not the UIGEA when the combined bill came back from the conference committee. She voted in favor of it. You can spin that any way you like, but the simple fact is that she had a choice, and helped vote it into law. If you feel inclined to overlook that or forgive her for it or find some excuse for it, that's your business. But let's not ignore the plain facts of the historical record. She voted for it. You're not seriously denying that point, are you?
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11-17-2007, 07:26 AM
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Re: November 14th: House Judiciary Committee Hearing Thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Shelley Berkley is so awesome that I think I could convince my wife that a divorce would be a good idea so I could marry the esteemed Congresswoman. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, she's so awesome that she voted FOR the UIGEA. See http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll516.xml. Now she wants to "study" whether it should be revisited. Oh yeah, that's political courage, all right. [/ QUOTE ] She was one of the few who publicly opposed the UIGEA and gave a pretty impassioned speech on it. She voted for the Safe Port Act if anything not the UIGEA. [/ QUOTE ] It was not possible to vote for the ports act and not the UIGEA when the combined bill came back from the conference committee. She voted in favor of it. You can spin that any way you like, but the simple fact is that she had a choice, and helped vote it into law. If you feel inclined to overlook that or forgive her for it or find some excuse for it, that's your business. But let's not ignore the plain facts of the historical record. She voted for it. You're not seriously denying that point, are you? [/ QUOTE ] You're either leveling us or amazingly naive.
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#8
11-17-2007, 06:53 PM
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Re: November 14th: House Judiciary Committee Hearing Thread
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Shelley Berkley is so awesome that I think I could convince my wife that a divorce would be a good idea so I could marry the esteemed Congresswoman. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, she's so awesome that she voted FOR the UIGEA. See http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll516.xml. Now she wants to "study" whether it should be revisited. Oh yeah, that's political courage, all right. [/ QUOTE ] She was one of the few who publicly opposed the UIGEA and gave a pretty impassioned speech on it. She voted for the Safe Port Act if anything not the UIGEA. [/ QUOTE ] It was not possible to vote for the ports act and not the UIGEA when the combined bill came back from the conference committee. She voted in favor of it. You can spin that any way you like, but the simple fact is that she had a choice, and helped vote it into law. If you feel inclined to overlook that or forgive her for it or find some excuse for it, that's your business. But let's not ignore the plain facts of the historical record. She voted for it. You're not seriously denying that point, are you? [/ QUOTE ] You're either leveling us or amazingly naive. [/ QUOTE ] I'm guessing naive. Rakewell's posts are typical of someone jumping in on the discussion a year after UIGEA. All it takes is watching the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb1pzayqPaI )the night the UIGEA was slipped into the bill to understand why everyone for online poker is a big fan of Berkley. Well everyone with a lick of sense... I was chewing my nails that night, and it was nice to see someone stand up and speak out against this junk. I make my entire living from the online poker industry and I would have probably voted the same way she did that night. Online poker is important to me, but there are other things that trump it. Anyone who points to the Port Security vote as the record of note for "who is against us and who is for us" is a complete idiot....or is just very very naive.
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#9
11-17-2007, 07:12 PM
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Re: November 14th: House Judiciary Committee Hearing Thread
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I'm guessing naive. Rakewell's posts are typical of someone jumping in on the discussion a year after UIGEA. [/ QUOTE ] I think you guessed right. It's hard to see how someone could see a vote go 409-2 in the House and 100-0 in the Senate and think to himself that he's not going to "let them off the hook that easily". His blog is at http://pokergrump.blogspot.com/2007/...cal-wimps.html . Apparently he put a lot of thought into why he's upset, but very little into what anyone should do about it.
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#10
11-17-2007, 08:13 PM
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Re: November 14th: House Judiciary Committee Hearing Thread
Skall, I am sure that you have never made the mistake of thinking that the IGREA complies with the WTO. I wish I had a nickel for every reporter that has made this mistake. I am not sure if the PPA has actually made this mistake, but they have linked to articles in which it is reported.
I agree that the bill could be rewritten to comply with the WTO decision, but IMO it would be easier to start over at least from a drafting prospective; maybe not politically.
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