AC in America

[soon2bepro]

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I think 98% of the population isn't aware there is an AC movement in America...I don't even think there is one. Umm, as a result, it can only gain popularity.

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You forget that there's new people being born, and new people growing up and making their minds on areas such as these.

Also, some ACers could be giving up on the AC idea.

[ALawPoker]

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Also, some ACers could be giving up on the AC idea.

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That's sort of like a horny teenager giving up on the banging chics idea.

[Kaj]

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Also, some ACers could be giving up on the AC idea.

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That's sort of like a horny teenager giving up on the banging chics idea.

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More like a horny teenager giving up on banging Cindy Crawford and finding something less "ideal" to bang.

[ALawPoker]

Except that the Cindy Crawford/reach for unattainable ideals thing applies way more to statism than to AC. Cute try though.

Welcome back btw, I was wondering why the politics forum had been so much less annoying lately. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[foal]

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Except that the Cindy Crawford/reach for unattainable ideals thing applies way more to statism than to AC.

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Yeah it's unrealistic to think we could ever attain the formation of a state. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[ALawPoker]

"You got a real attitude problem, McFly." ~Mr. Strickland

[Kaj]

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Except that the Cindy Crawford/reach for unattainable ideals thing applies way more to statism than to AC. Cute try though.

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You (and others here) would do much more for your cause if you didn't dogmatically defend every aspect of your politics to the point that your position becomes absurd.

[ALawPoker]

So let's recap. I make a joke about ACers' feelings for AC being similar to a horny teenager's feelings of sex (ha ha good one!), you (annoyingly, and wrongly) decide to respond to it with an odd suggestion that ACism is based on "ideals." I state my disagreement, and that's therefore dogmatic?

I think it's pretty obvious that statism's practices are of an idealistic mindset. The idea that you can effectively solve a problem with a centralized solution is innately idealistic. It values and seeks an outcome that one is not necessarily willing nor capable of paying for (rather than the outcome of however the pieces may naturally fall). If you weren't so dazed by the status quo you might agree with me. But it's not even important who's right about that.

The fact is, AC (contrary to what it seems you are suggesting) does not claim that life will be perfect and humans will [censored] gold coins. It's merely the belief that problems will be solved more efficiently in the absence of centralized planning. And again, it doesn't even matter who's right about that as it relates to your post above. Believing this argument to be the case qualifies as "dogmatically defending every aspect of my politics"?? Bizarre.

What if I believed that when Roger Clemens throws a pitch his arm will be fatigued? If other people claimed there were actually pitches he could throw that would re-energize his arm, would I have to be "dogmatic" to disagree with them?

There is no point to this anyways. I don't know what you think you're accomplishing, but posts like this (which have nothing to do with the substance of what's actually being discussed, but instead are just a random and deliberate ad hominem against a general ideology) are really lame. What exactly are you trying to say? I'd be happy to discuss it further if you actually have a point you're trying to make, but if you're just trying to troll AC, be a pal and let me know.

[Bedreviter]

[quoteThe fact is, AC (contrary to what it seems you are suggesting) does not claim that life will be perfect and humans will [censored] gold coins. It's merely the belief that problems will be solved more efficiently in the absence of centralized planning.

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2-3% of the population are batshit insane, paranoia, schizophrenia and people who go mental after taking drugs are a big problem. How do AC deal with them?

[Kaj]

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So let's recap. I make a joke about ACers' feelings for AC being similar to a horny teenager's feelings of sex (ha ha good one!),

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Sorry, I didn't really see why that joke/comparison was either relevant or funny.

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you (annoyingly, and wrongly) decide to respond to it with an odd suggestion that ACism is based on "ideals."

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Why is it annoying and wrong to respond with a more relevant (and funnier, I'd say) comparison? Sheesh, this is a message board, isn't it?

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I state my disagreement, and that's therefore dogmatic?

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The dogmatism is that you failed to see the point I was making and instead provided a diatribe about why the state is more "idealistic" than ACism.

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I think it's pretty obvious that statism's practices are of an idealistic mindset. ...

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And here you go again on same diatribe. The point was related to the fact that many ACists say they won't vote or run for office because both the candidates and the system are flawed. Many libertarians acknowledge that but try to work within the system anyway (including that hero of many ACists, Ron Paul). That was the point. It's really useless to go on about "statists are more ideal". First off, it's a very debatable and wholly subjective point. Second, there are thousands and thousands of libertarians and others who acknowledge the flaws of the systems and are trying to change it, comprising some of their ideals in practice. Thirdly (and quite obviously), the state exists in practice not just theory or historical reference. FWIW I am an anarchist myself. I am proud to say I am idealistic. I am also practical enough to understand that the system won't just go away on its own. Your defensiveness regarding your dogma and refusal to budge at all when the least bit of criticism arises is quite typical of those with your religious fervor for ACism. It is at least somewhat encouraging that many of said ACists who used to berate me and other minarchist scum for promoting libertarian politics in practice are now leading the charge to elect none other than a major 2-party candidate and sitting Congressman who is far less radical than myself or some other libertarians. I think I'd rather burn the Capitol than work in it. But I still will vote for Ron Paul and accept his less than perfect platform as a step in the right direction. I guess that makes me a filthy statist idealist [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] ...