Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it

[sillysal]

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1) Have you at any time used ANY other account on Full Tilt other than pokergirl z? If so, which account(s)?


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I can’t comment on the specifics of this investigation now but I have answered every question that Full Tilt and Mike Haven have asked me.

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2) Have you ever met BeatMe1/redgar3?

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Yes, redgar3 was at the 2006 WSOP Pokerroom.com party in Las Vegas. I was also at the party.

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Do you mind if the mods here check on your IP and see how it matches up with that of BeatMe1's from her earlier posts here?


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No, they can check my IP and report anything they find.


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Did you know up until now that BeatMe1/redgar3 had the same first name as you?


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Redgar3’s name was Lisa … My name is not Lisa. That can be verified by numerous sources.


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4) Please tell us exactly what Full Tilt has accused you of, and what evidence they have presented.


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I am accused of being a bot. The only evidence I have seen is the same information that everyone else has seen posted on 2+2 by Mike Haven i.e stats that are similar to other players.

[Johny Poker]

[/ QUOTE ] I am accused of being a bot. The only evidence I have seen is the same information that everyone else has seen posted on 2+2 by Mike Haven i.e stats that are similar to other players.

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If this is all they got, FTP is a joke. Come on FTP show us something you clowns. How about Mike Haven, where are his comments on the so-called evidence??? If I was a california attorney, I would file suit against these clowns pro-bono.

[_dave_]

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I am accused of being a bot. The only evidence I have seen is the same information that everyone else has seen posted on 2+2 by Mike Haven i.e stats that are similar to other players


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WOW.

Seriously, the only evidence presented has been that your play is similar to that of other winners? That and it also was only delivered through the indirect medium of 2p2, not to you directly prior ro public disclosure?

Just WOW.

Let us also not forget, You were not accused of being a bot. This was your judgment.

You were accused of something which may take weeks to research, IIRC recipient of fraudulent funds / chip dumping.

There is no way it takes weeks of frozen account to prove use of botting software... it is pretty much an instant hit, no?

Am I mis-remembering the older posts here?

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How about Mike Haven, where are his comments on the so-called evidence???


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IIRC Mike's last post indicated there was erronious data in the spreadsheet, which he pointed out to FTP, and thus has yet to be elaborated on [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[BurnleyMik]

I still think something is fishy here.

Mike has been extremely quiet about the matter.

Dave, I agree. i mentioned this earlier in the thread. FTPSean mentioned that the investigation took so long because of the time it takes for credit card companies etc to respond to FTP's requests, but if this was botting or illegal software why was the account frozen for over 3 weeks when thy should have had all the information they needed to hand?????

Also if it is true that all the evidence FTP has is the stats, thats pretty bad....

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FTPSean mentioned that the investigation took so long because of the time it takes for credit card companies etc to respond to FTP's requests


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TY, that is what I thought I remembered. Something along the lines of an official response saying "sorry it takes so long, we need to wait for responses from our payment processors etc."

Regarding use of botting, it should be more like "Our automated systems, later confirmed our software experts, have observed your use of illegal software on numerous occasions. your account is terminated. goodbye"

EDIT: Like the famous TeddyFBI's Mom case on Stars.

Something is not right here [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[StellarWind]

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Dave, I agree. i mentioned this earlier in the thread. FTPSean mentioned that the investigation took so long because of the time it takes for credit card companies etc to respond to FTP's requests,

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It's possible that FTP tried to trace the financial lifeline for each of the suspected accounts back to it's source. That's a possible way to confirm that "unrelated" bot accounts are actually closely connected to each other. That could involved banks, e-wallets, etc, and it could take time.

Certainly if I were FTP I would be looking into this. Even if I was already 100% certain of guilt the information might help me prevent them from sneaking back under new identities.

[BurnleyMik]

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Dave, I agree. i mentioned this earlier in the thread. FTPSean mentioned that the investigation took so long because of the time it takes for credit card companies etc to respond to FTP's requests,

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It's possible that FTP tried to trace the financial lifeline for each of the suspected accounts back to it's source. That's a possible way to confirm that "unrelated" bot accounts are actually closely connected to each other. That could involved banks, e-wallets, etc, and it could take time.

Certainly if I were FTP I would be looking into this. Even if I was already 100% certain of guilt the information might help me prevent them from sneaking back under new identities.

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Good point, well made.

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It's possible that FTP tried to trace the financial lifeline for each of the suspected accounts back to it's source. That's a possible way to confirm that "unrelated" bot accounts are actually closely connected to each other. That could involved banks, e-wallets, etc, and it could take time.

Certainly if I were FTP I would be looking into this. Even if I was already 100% certain of guilt the information might help me prevent them from sneaking back under new identities.


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Quite so, but why keep the account locked in the interim? 100% guilty bot = account closed, study the path of the money after closure so as to spot the new bot accounts / other potential bots... why keep the account in the frozen middleground if there is already reason to close it?

[BurnleyMik]

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Quite so, but why keep the account locked in the interim? 100% guilty bot = account closed, study the path of the money after closure so as to spot the new bot accounts / other potential bots... why keep the account in the frozen middleground if there is already reason to close it?

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Another good point..

[StellarWind]

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Mike has been extremely quiet about the matter.

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It's pretty obvious that the situation is in flux although we have little idea what is happening. I wouldn't expect Mike to express a public opinion right now. I'm sure we will hear from him when the current process is concluded.