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400NL Argh - AA on the button and some idiot just shoved on the turn!
Villain is 18/8/1.6 over 100 hands or so and more or less unknown.
Ongame Poker No Limit Hold'Em, $2/$4 (8 handed). SB ($394) BB ($339) UTG ($405) Villain/UTG+1 ($394) MP1 ($340) MP2 ($377) CO ($188) Hero/BTN ($465) Preflop: Hero is BTN with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG folds, Villain raises to $18, 3 folds, Hero raises to $40, 2 folds, Villain calls. Flop: ($86) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players) Villain checks, Hero bets $70, Villain calls. Turn: ($226) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players) Villain bets $284 and is all-in. Hero? WTF? Up until this push on the turn, I figured Villain for a pair in the 99-KK range. I thought AK was less likely for obvious reasons, although clearly not impossible. Anyway, I’m left with two moves on the turn, but which one’s better? Does the fact I don’t have the Ac make a difference? |
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Re: Aaargghh - AA on the button and some idiot just shoved on the turn
Call, preflop sucks.
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Re: Aaargghh - AA on the button and some idiot just shoved on the turn
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Call, preflop sucks. [/ QUOTE ] Err, right. Anyone who fancies adding some reasoning is very welcome to post. I do suck, but I'd like to know why... [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] |
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Re: Aaargghh - AA on the button and some idiot just shoved on the turn
PF sucked cos it was basically a min raise. His range to call a min raise is huge, and it includes SC's and small PP's, which could have u crushed at this point.
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Re: Aaargghh - AA on the button and some idiot just shoved on the turn
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Call, preflop sucks. [/ QUOTE ] Raise more preflop. |
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Re: Aaargghh - AA on the button and some idiot just shoved on the turn
Really? So if the range is between doubling his raise (ie another $28, making it $46 to go) or raising the pot (ie another $42, making it $60 to go), what's standard? I've clearly been missing something...
Incidentally, I don't think a player with these numbers is raising in EP w small pairs or SCs. If that is the case, and he has a pair in the 99-KK range, doesn't it make more sense to err on the low side of the raise size to make sure we keep him in a hand that he could easily go broke on with a flop of undercards... |
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Re: Aaargghh - AA on the button and some idiot just shoved on the turn
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Really? So if the range is between doubling his raise (ie another $28, making it $46 to go) or raising the pot (ie another $42, making it $60 to go), what's standard? I've clearly been missing something... Incidentally, I don't think a player with these numbers is raising in EP w small pairs or SCs. If that is the case, and he has a pair in the 99-KK range, doesn't it make more sense to err on the low side of the raise size to make sure we keep him in a hand that he could easily go broke on with a flop of undercards... [/ QUOTE ] I don't think your avg. villian goes broke with 99 here on a 2,7,8 flop when you minraise pre. If you minraise pre and are going to felt any flop and it only costs him $28 then he should call with anything he raises PF. |
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Re: Aaargghh - AA on the button and some idiot just shoved on the turn
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Really? So if the range is between doubling his raise (ie another $28, making it $46 to go) or raising the pot (ie another $42, making it $60 to go), what's standard? I've clearly been missing something... Incidentally, I don't think a player with these numbers is raising in EP w small pairs or SCs. If that is the case, and he has a pair in the 99-KK range, doesn't it make more sense to err on the low side of the raise size to make sure we keep him in a hand that he could easily go broke on with a flop of undercards... [/ QUOTE ] Usually triple or quadruple their bet size. I think you're underestimating his raising range. 18/8 probably raises some small pocket pairs in EP. Suited connectors are less likely, but big suited cards are quite possible. 100 hands is not a very large sample, either. FWIW, I think you're toast on the turn, although smaller overpairs with one club could be in his range. |
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Re: Aaargghh - AA on the button and some idiot just shoved on the turn
Think of it like this: Your preflop raise is $22 to call and the effective remaining stacks are $354. In that case I'm taking a flop with all pairs, all suited connectors and suited gappers and probably non-suited connectors. Actually there are few hands I'm folding TBH.
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Re: Aaargghh - AA on the button and some idiot just shoved on the turn!
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Err, right. Anyone who fancies adding some reasoning is very welcome to post. I do suck, but I'd like to know why... [/ QUOTE ] Your 3 bet is to small because it gives the villain a chance to call with a large range, in hopes he will stack you. Your 3 bet should have been somewhere between $60-$70 |
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