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Old 11-13-2007, 07:44 PM
Hair_of_the_Dog Hair_of_the_Dog is offline
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Default Re: Fold a Set for Just a Bet? Twice?

I figured I'd have to pay 4 bets to see the river. I was right. I guess I was wrong to fold with that in mind, yes?

Well...let me try to break it down. Maybe I'll understand better.

8bb and 10 outs if the next player folds
Capped 4 ways (not including me) 23bb/4bb to call = 5.75:1
Ok so it was a mistake... [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
Capped 3 ways 17bb/4bb to call = 4.25
Capped 2 ways 13bb/4 to call = 3.25
This is where it becomes marginal.

Based on my read it seemed right at the time. I couldn't work the math out that quickly in my head. It just seemed like it was going to get expensive to draw.

Say that I call all of these bets?
What do I do on the river when a brick hits and it is...
Bet, call, raise, Me?
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Old 11-13-2007, 09:11 PM
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Default Re: Fold a Set for Just a Bet? Twice?

I'm not sure why you are so convinced that it's going to be capped on the turn. That seems way too pessimistic.

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Say that I call all of these bets?
What do I do on the river when a brick hits and it is...
Bet, call, raise, Me?

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Fold? Is this a trick question? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-13-2007, 10:35 PM
Hair_of_the_Dog Hair_of_the_Dog is offline
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It's just how the table has been playing. Strange but consistent.
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Old 11-14-2007, 01:19 PM
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Default Re: Fold a Set for Just a Bet? Twice?

As played I call both hands. I prefer a check on the river in the first though. In the first hand, there is at least a reasonable chance that your opponent has 2-pair, if they were holding a pair+straight draw that included a Q.

Call the second. The BB woke up on this scare card, but the pot is huge and it's unlikely anyone has put you on a set of 5s. UTG seems to almost certainly have 2-pair, though a set of 6s is possible.
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Old 11-14-2007, 04:00 PM
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Default Re: Fold a Set for Just a Bet? Twice?

u could fold vs a good tag in the 2nd hand I think, but ID generally call.... it would take a moron tho for BB to show up with Aces up and not KT or diamonds. first one is straight forward fold.

Hair of dog that fold on the turn is unforgivable, if you still think you were correct to fold you have lots of leaks to find im guessing... be open minded about it, I promise u are wrong here. fwiw 4 ways ur pretty happy to have 4 bets go in on the turn assuming noone has 88, plenty of skylansky bucks right now plus implied odds.

if u call the turn and the river bricks its a very easy fold facing 2 bets.
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:45 PM
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Hair of dog that fold on the turn is unforgivable, if you still think you were correct to fold you have lots of leaks to find im guessing... be open minded about it, I promise u are wrong here. fwiw 4 ways ur pretty happy to have 4 bets go in on the turn assuming noone has 88, plenty of skylansky bucks right now plus implied odds.

if u call the turn and the river bricks its a very easy fold facing 2 bets.

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I agree. On the turn I knew I was behind and panicked a little. I didn't think through the math while I was at the table. After working it out is seems obv that I should have called the turn and fold UI vs. 2 bets on the river. I think it was a reaction to how the table was playing and a fear of having to pay off the straights out there. Gotta work on my passive tilt there. My implied odds were hugantic. Well, live and learn. That's why I'm here.

PS: Sorry for the hijack.
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