The state of Notre Dame football.

[Diana Ross Fan]

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Just chiming in to say that week in and week out this thread proves to be the most entertaining one in Sports.

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Agreed. This is the first thread I look for when opening the SE forum, and I'm always happy to see more posts here.

It's not the delusional fans for me. Though no ND fan, I think an important part of the appeal of college football is tradition, and so I like the historically strong teams to do well. I feel bad for ND fans, to be honest.

But I love seeing an egotistical blowhard knocked down, and Weis fits the bill.

Some of the insightful criticism (shemp, desert cat, MT2R, Tom Collins, etc.) targeted at him is spot on.

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I actually agree with some of the criticism --he gambles too much and has quite an ego-- and I'm tough on Charlie in other forums.

But I'll go to the mat with those who say he's a horrible coach because of a bad season. They aren't making sense, they are chirping the I-hate-Notre-Dame mantra. My biggest regret is that I found the thread so late.

[pvn]

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But I'll go to the mat with those who say he's a horrible coach because of a bad season.

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Nobody here has said that. OTOH, there are lots of people who say he's a horrible coach because of HORRIBLE DECISIONS he makes, or because of his TOTAL LACK OF ABILITY to develop these supposed top recruiting classes into players capable of executing the most basic football plays.

[Diana Ross Fan]

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But I'll go to the mat with those who say he's a horrible coach because of a bad season.

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Nobody here has said that. OTOH, there are lots of people who say he's a horrible coach because of HORRIBLE DECISIONS he makes, or because of his TOTAL LACK OF ABILITY to develop these supposed top recruiting classes that are currently sophomores into players capable of executing the most basic football plays.

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[HajiShirazu]

Most of the people are way off here in that CW has very little role in developing the players. The HC hardly ever works with guys individually, it's mostly the coordinators/assistants. Recruiting is kind of the same way although the HC has more of a role.
Of course it is his fault that better guys were not picked for these tasks as that is basically the biggest part of his job.
Also his in-game decisions and playcalling always seem shocking, although at least he's got the idea of going for it on 4th down almost every time at midfield right. It's pretty rare to see somebody decide go for it in a situation where it was obvious punting was better. In fact I don't think I have ever seen that until last week.

[Thremp]

On a side note... Don't position coaches do most of the hands on development work while head coaches do most of the schemes and management issues? Granted he chooses the position coaches. But I find this whole business of attributing too much success or failure to Weis idiotic.

[bernie]

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On a side note... Don't position coaches do most of the hands on development work while head coaches do most of the schemes and management issues? Granted he chooses the position coaches. But I find this whole business of attributing too much success or failure to Weis idiotic.

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I find the whole business of how domers attribute success or failure to Weis to be contradictory and laughable. If they succeed, it's Weis and he's a genius. If they fail, it's everyone else's fault.

I still can't see why Weis is cut so much slack. He hasn't done anything notable except take ND to it's lowest level anyone can remember. Not that their's any bias or double standard in play at ND...

Go Air Force.

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[StevieG]

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Most of the people are way off here in that CW has very little role in developing the players. The HC hardly ever works with guys individually, it's mostly the coordinators/assistants...Of course it is his fault that better guys were not picked for these tasks as that is basically the biggest part of his job.

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Yes, the head coach cannot work out with every player individually all the time. Assistants do that primarily.

But not only is selecting those assistants a big priority for a head coach, so is supervising them.

I heard a second hand anecdote about Joe Paterno yelling clear across the practice field once when he was pissed off about a drill going on in the opposite end zone.

At the time, the point of the story was to illustrate the power of JoePa's voice. I'm bringing it up to show a head coach can work with the players as a whole, supervise, and be involved without running each and every drill.

[Gregatron]

Great point StevieG. Claiming that Weis is not responsible for his coaches' lack of progress in development is like say Bush is in no way responsible for the actions of his cabinet.

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Great point StevieG. Claiming that Weis is not responsible for his coaches' lack of progress in development is like say Bush is in no way responsible for the actions of his cabinet.

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The Bobs to Charlie: "So what would you say ya do here?"

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But I'll go to the mat with those who say he's a horrible coach because of a bad season.

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Nobody here has said that. OTOH, there are lots of people who say he's a horrible coach because of HORRIBLE DECISIONS he makes, or because of his TOTAL LACK OF ABILITY to develop these supposed top recruiting classes that are currently sophomores into players capable of executing the most basic football plays.

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Sorry, but "ZOMG BEST RECRUITS EVER" should be able to whip service academies, even if they're only sophmores (and besides that, Weis has THREE recruiting classes, not two).