Massive Hero fold

[inferno]

noooo dont fold

[Raist0000]

don't fold! It's a 26BB pot and you have a very good hand. You don't think you are good here 4% of the time?

edit: well, obviously you don't think so, but... don't you think you can be wrong 4% of the time?

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I don´t like the flop cap. Assuming we have 0% FE and Button and SB will call the cap 100% of the time, we need about 10 outs to make this play slightly +EV(roughly calculated).

I also don´t fold the river - this is like "[censored] you! i call!"

[DespotInExile]

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I don´t like the flop cap.

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Capping this against a large field is awesome.

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I don´t like the flop cap.

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Capping this against a large field is awesome.

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Please explain why.

Assuming we have 0% FE, Button and SB will call the cap 100% of the time, ignoring implied odds:

We need at least 33% equity on the flop if we want to cap - actually more bc we have to pay to see the river.

Stoving a unrealistic best-case scenario:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

733,055,400 games 14.985 secs 48,919,279 games/sec

Board: 3c Jh 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.393% 30.57% 00.82% 224122798 6005851.00 { QcTs }
Hand 1: 32.396% 32.17% 00.23% 235814082 1667764.00 { 7c2c }
Hand 2: 18.105% 17.31% 00.80% 126893996 5828456.50 { random }
Hand 3: 18.105% 17.31% 00.80% 126893996 5828456.50 { random }

Button and SB range are much stronger than "random" after CC the flop.

Did i make a mistake? Wrong thought process?
- I´m ready to learn.

[Fluffy_Shark]

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We need at least 33% equity on the flop if we want to cap

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Why 33%? There are 4 to the turn, so hero pays 25% of the pot. If he gets back more than those 25% on average capping shows profit.

-Fluffy_Shark

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We need at least 33% equity on the flop if we want to cap

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Why 33%? There are 4 to the turn, so hero pays 25% of the pot. If he gets back more than those 25% on average capping shows profit.

-Fluffy_Shark

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You can´t count Hero´s BB, since it´s no profit. Hero is risking 1 BB more on the flop to possibly win 3.

[TheHip41]

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We need at least 33% equity on the flop if we want to cap

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Why 33%? There are 4 to the turn, so hero pays 25% of the pot. If he gets back more than those 25% on average capping shows profit.

-Fluffy_Shark

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with no flush draw on the flop, sure, go ahead and cap.

with the flush draw, our hand kinda sucks.


I'm not sure I raise the flop in the first place, but whatever.

It's online, people are retarded, don't fold the river.

[Realyn]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

740,460 games 0.046 secs 16,096,956 games/sec

Board: 3c 9c Jh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.906% 23.56% 00.35% 174421 2590.00 { QcTs }
Hand 1: 33.156% 32.84% 00.32% 243161 2347.33 { Kc2c }
Hand 2: 33.785% 33.24% 00.54% 246154 4007.33 { KdJd }
Hand 3: 09.154% 08.56% 00.59% 63384 4395.33 { random }


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kabooom and u have less equity.

what i want to say: to take 2 random hands is pretty ... stupid?

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what i want to say: to take 2 random hands is pretty ... stupid?

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"Stoving a unrealistic best-case scenario"

"Button and SB range are much stronger than "random" after CC the flop." [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Just wanted to point out that even if SB and Button are total idiots - we don´t have enough equity.