Wheeling Island Poker Room *update*

[SirWinsALot]

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I'm sitting at $1/$2 NL and a player 3 seats to my right goes all in for $17. I call and we show our hands. The dealer then burns one card, deals 3 more cards face down like they normally would, then burns another card and flips one face up, burns another and flips another, and does it again. Now the whole table is yelling "no no no!" and he freezes. The Floor is called and says that the hand is dead and we should split the pot.

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If you described the above accurately, then the ruling is incorrect. Everyone should be able to tell what the proper 5-card board is. The 6th card placed on the board doesn't play, and the winner is determined from the two live hands and the 5-card board.

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3 hours later, two people are in a hand pre-flop and they get 4 cards to the flop. The floor is called again and this time he says to reshuffle the cards and redeal the flop. Is that even close to right? This was my first time in a casino and I was just a little peeved. I had AA vs. KQ off, btw.

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This is correct. The burn card is left in place, and the remaining deck stub plus the 4 cards placed face up are shuffled. The deck is cut, but since a burn card was already placed down, another one is not put down prior to placing out the 3 card flop.

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the first burn and the first 3 cards peeled off were left face down like burn cards. so it was basically 4 burn cards, 1 board card, 1 burn & 1 board, 1 more burn and 1 more board card.

[SirWinsALot]

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the first burn and the first 3 cards peeled off were left face down like burn cards. so it was basically 4 burn cards, 1 board card, 1 burn & 1 board, 1 more burn and 1 more board card.

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That may be the most unusual, strictly mechanical dealing error about which I've ever read, seen or heard. I've committed more dealing attrocities than I care to admit. Compared to this, pushing the pot to wrong player is understandable. Must have been combination new dealer fatigue, allergy medication, sleep deprivation and anemia, etc.

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Now the whole table is yelling "no no no!" and he freezes. The Floor is called and says that the hand is dead and we should split the pot.

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The only money you would be splitting are the 2 blinds, which makes this marginally acceptable. The problem with the two of you splitting the pot as a regularly accepted ruling is that if one or both of you are in collusion with the dealer, then the dealer could intentionally fubar the board and allow you two to split a bunch of dead money, or if he were working with just the player who had tabled what looked like an extremely likely losing hand then that player would be saved the risk of losing his stack. The dealer could even just be angry at a player and do this to negate what looks like his sure winner.

In this case, with $37. in the pot, the dealer may have raked $3, which would cover the blinds and in effect, just return each of your $17. put in. You didn't say if you had one of the blinds, but it doesn't appear that you did. If this had happened in a way where there was dead money in the pot, other than the blinds, then I hope the floor would not have allowed the two of you to split the pot.

A better solution would be to go through the regular procedure for a messed up flop. If the first burn card is identifiable, then leave it out and reshuffle all the cards that were subsequently put out, along with the deck stub and cut the deck, proceed with the flop, burn, turn, burn, and river.

[jackaaron]

Does anyone know when they are going to start having tournaments?

Thx...

[sirfoldalot]

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Does anyone know when they are going to start having tournaments?

Thx...

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I asked the floor this over last weekend and all he could say was they are coming. No hard dates yet.

[wonkadaddy]

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Does anyone know when they are going to start having tournaments?

Thx...

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I asked the floor this over last weekend and all he could say was they are coming. No hard dates yet.

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played there last weekend and it sounds like EVERYTHING has to go thru the gaming commission at this point (or that was their excuse at least)

overall, looks like it's becoming a solid room. as for what was being spread it was something like

~10 1/2NL ($50-$200)
2 2/5NL ($100-$500)
1 5/10NL ($300-$1500)
1 1-5 spread limit 7-stud
2 small limit omaha games
4 2/4 LHE

wait lists were medium long (1-2 hours in the evening), but the poker room had open seats til around 3-4pm on both saturday and sunday. plenty of open seats by 1am also.

most of the dealers were plenty competent, although obviously new and a little slow on avg. a few dealers were awful and they don't keep the worst dealers off of the bigger games unfortunately. the floor was really confused about whether the placeholder chips played while chiprunners were grabbing chips. the answer was usually that "they play if the chips make it back before the person's action." so you would literally have no idea what your opponent's stack size was during the hand which is ridiculous. they said it was a gaming authority issue that would be resolved shortly. like others have said, the cage was comically slow.

the comp cards weren't usable yet, but the hours were being recorded for when they eventually start their comp program. only sodas, hot tea, coffee and tap water were free. good sandwiches, nachos, and paninis avaliable, although the cocktail waitresses were way understaffed.

my experience w/the 2/5 was that it was a soft, friendly game with a lot of people seeing a lot of flops. ~$3000 on the table earlier in the day, ~ $5000 later on. decent action. the 5/10 looked like an action game w/a lot more preflop raising and ~20k on the table.

[Hairball]

I played in the $2/5 game on Saturday for 14+ hours. I found the dealers to be generally competent, the floor to be responsive and authoritative, and the waitresses to be attentitive and overworked.

For the first 4-5 hours of play the wait lists were manageably long and we had a steady rotation of players. After about 7pm the list was so long that the softest money lost patience and never showed up when their seats were called. Eventually we wound up with a table where nobody was especially weak. More tables, or better planning to accomodate another 1-2 tables of $2/5 and one more table of $5/10 would probably help with this.

At the end of my session I overheard a floor person having a conversation with one of the better dealers in the room. They were discussing the situation of a player beginning to rack up and taking a hand while doing so and whether or not the racked chips played. The dealer thought they should, but the floor instructed him that racked chips are out of play. I asked if the player would be permitted to then unrack his chips and was told he could. Seems like a "going south" loophole to me.

They also have a funky button ruling in the room. If a player busts or goes absent when he should be on the small blind or the button, the button advances to the next seated player. He must then post a small blind, the person to his left posts a big blind and the person to his left also posts a big blind. The small blind is live money. The next hand, the button advances to the player who was in the first big blind the previous hand. He then posts a small blind, the person to his left posts a small blind, and the person to his left posts a big blind. Hands thereafter the button and blinds posts as normal. This caused a some confusion amongst the players and a couple of the dealers.

There were a lot of line jumpers at my table. The dealers seemed oblivous to this and never once confirmed that a new player was being seated by a floor person. The dealers also were hit and miss on their enforcement of the room's no cell phones rule and not a single dealer even tried to enforce the no-chew policy. They were all quick, however, to enforce the rule that disallows foreign objects from the table -- only chips, cards, and drink holders are allowed on the felt.

Wonkadaddy, I was playing in the $2/5 game in the middle of the room on Saturday night. There was one other game at an adjacent table and along a wall. I was in the three seat, big guy with a pony tail.