So looks like I can't fold aces or kings... how bad is that?

[JDalla]

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When I was reading these last night, they didnt seem very bad. In the KK hand you have to call the turn obv, and with the unexpected river action, a call seems reasonable, but it sure does look like UTG smooth called the turn with Tx to keep you in while he believes he could be chopping...

In the AA hand, its also really reasonable to showdown, but I dont understand the turn check. The only othe player to show aggression on the flop raised UTG, so you cant be worried about a straight from him. If MP happens to have a 7 with his flush draw, then whatever, if he called 3 cold on the flop with 7x and no flush draw, then god bless him.

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AA: so are you advocating bet/call/SD? or bet/fold?

in my experience in this spots I always 'feel' like I'm beat, I always c/c down, and I'm almost always beat. If not by 87 then by some crappy 2 pair or a set. People will coldcall 2 with suited cards all the time these days...

KK: I don't want to be results oriented, but I was actually ahead on the turn and got rivered this hand. This makes me feel like I shouldn't have been considering a turn fold, but then I'm pretty much locked into a river call.

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If MP raises your bet and UTG's call, I'd be pretty convinced he has you beat... I didnt really consider 87 when I typed that out... I dont really know whats best

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bet/call turn, and the check/fold river if UTG calls turn? I lose as much as I did in the hand but prevent freecards / maybe fold outs. But then if I ever did lay down the winner on the river I'd probably hurt myself... but meh that might be the best plan.

[Flintoff]

Bet/fold the turn in hand 1.

[Tweed _Man]

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Bet/fold the turn in hand 1.

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I was gonna say the same until I realised that the pot would be 13.5BB after the raise in which case I'm seeing a river 100% of the time.