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Re: NL400 SICK laydown with KK somewhat deep
why are you then calling on the flop when you *miss* your set?
[/ QUOTE ] That's a valid point, but I didn't like only call for setvalue, but I just mentioned it because it shows that this is an easy call preflop. And for those saying I don't have the set odds, what do you mean? If we put him on AA and know he is going to stack off, I am getting them. But I guess folding the flop would be the right alternative, It's just so freaking hard [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] But then come to think of it, I could see a point for felting it the way played, when he has AA I have 4 split outs on the board and 2 outs to win. I asked him what he had after the laydown and he said KK... |
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Re: NL400 SICK laydown with KK somewhat deep
[ QUOTE ]
why are you then calling on the flop when you *miss* your set? [/ QUOTE ] That's a valid point, but I didn't like only call for setvalue, but I just mentioned it because it shows that this is an easy call preflop. And for those saying I don't have the set odds, what do you mean? If we put him on AA and know he is going to stack off, I am getting them. But I guess folding the flop would be the right alternative, It's just so freaking hard [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] But then come to think of it, I could see a point for felting it the way played, when he has AA I have 4 split outs on the board and 2 outs to win. I asked him what he had after the laydown and he said KK... [/ QUOTE ] What split outs? 9 to 1 is not enough to look for a set preflop. |
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Re: NL400 SICK laydown with KK somewhat deep
ok nevermind about the split outs I'm tired [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Re: NL400 SICK laydown with KK somewhat deep
7.5 to 1 to make a set, with the chance of getting of getting set over setted and a very small chance it's just a random bluff and he shuts down I do think my preflop call is justified, but I do think the best line is to fold the flop. Those who say felt it, what hand range do you put villain on?
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Re: NL400 SICK laydown with KK somewhat deep
Metagame call? Really, an important thing to know is MP3's stats. If MP3 is a 60/30/3, this becomes trivial shovage. In this case, you ISO'd a donk [your range: AT+, KJ+, 88+], BB reisod you [AK, AQs, JJ+]. Even if not, I really don't want to fold here against relatively unknown. On this board, we have the second nuts. BB can definitely 4-bet Queens and AK preflop and his continuation is pretty standard. If we c/f flop, we're folding the best of it often. The only time in this hand where it really looks like we're beat is on the turn. However, commiting 40% of effective stack and folding mega-brick turn is sickening. Honestly, I think you just have to go broke.
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Re: NL400 SICK laydown with KK somewhat deep
Agree with other posts above; if you're gonna call the flop, you can't fold the turn. It is better to call or raise the flop with the intention of getting it all-in, or folding the flop if you are that worried that he has aces.
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Re: NL400 SICK laydown with KK somewhat deep
The decision is preflop, brah.
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