High Stakes Poker thread (10/29 - spoilers possible)

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So those loose players can take stabs at that board with crap but jman couldn't try a simple cbet with QQ? Okay so the sample size is too small obviously but when you get only a few hours to play at least loosen up a bit and be a bit more aggressive against known donks with your good hands.

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So those loose players can take stabs at that board with crap but jman couldn't try a simple cbet with QQ? Okay so the sample size is too small obviously but when you get only a few hours to play at least loosen up a bit and be a bit more aggressive against known donks with your good hands.

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i dont know why the live players cant understand that Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is not a good hand on a K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] board

[JDesab]

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So those loose players can take stabs at that board with crap but jman couldn't try a simple cbet with QQ? Okay so the sample size is too small obviously but when you get only a few hours to play at least loosen up a bit and be a bit more aggressive against known donks with your good hands.

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i dont know why the live players cant understand that Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is not a good hand on a K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] board

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i don't know why you ineternit players can one post say that you'd love to get in a hand with farha then when your hero dumps a solid hand against him fearing that he is beat suddenly farha deserves to be folded to. make up your mind.

obviously .. the only flop he can bet is one below a q and one that wouldn't be suited or connected. obviously... all of us live donks have noted this. scary flop = don't bet. fold to any bet. gotcha


you play after the flop .. you play after the flop.

don't you get this?

or is poker really just a lottery. seems the internit game is about only making safe plays.
it's funny though.. i see so many posts around here about complex situations where you actually put opponents on "ranges" ... and you bet. and you try to figure out what your opponents raise might mean. do you remember ever seeing these sorts of posts? yet jman releasing on the turn seems to be viewed as the right play. seems a little fishy to me.

who comes across as less skilled here.. you or i?

i'd say you do.

i agree that the suited k high board is a scary board. by checking the flop you make it even scarier.

he claims in his trip report that he brought 200+ k for the 100k game. if he calls sammy and sammy pushes on the river.. if he chooses to fold why not just put the other 100k on the table.

both he and all his fans on this board believed he could outplay all the live donks... so what's the problem.

i'm sure he'd play differently against lesser opponents. that's why some say that he played like a scared doe in headlights.

do you think sammy checks that flop? DN .. do you think he checks that flop?

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lol JDesab you crack me up, you must feel like you are talking to the wall though

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JDesab how many hands of poker hand you played in your life?

[JDesab]

i've played 5 nights a week for 2 years.

i've played a lot.

folding this hand is not playing. it's avoiding.

[ChrisV]

Eh. This is the last post I'm going to make in this thread.

FWIW I agree that Jman made bad TV. I also agree with you that the right thing to do was call the turn. But really the error (if in fact one was made) is extremely small. It pales into insignificance beside the errors that are made like 10 times an episode by other players.

So why are you making such a fuss over it? Because in your world, the worst sin a player can commit is to be too tight. Farha can do completely spastic things like make that K7o call and you just respond by spouting meaningless cliches about how he "has gamble" and is a great player who would run over us stupid internits. But show a player making a few preflop folds and a nitty postflop fold and he's "scared", "outclassed", "uncomfortable" and 800 other pejoratives that have nothing to do with who makes the most correct plays. You're one of those players who is convinced that poker has nothing to do with maths, which is why you're incapable of beating internits at any reasonable level.

[JDesab]

no you are wrong.

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But show a player making a few preflop folds and a nitty postflop fold and he's "scared", "outclassed", "uncomfortable"

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a few? do you understate intentionally?

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I guess nobody there had any idea of my reputation and playing style, because I have never been accused of being a nit before that day. Usually I get ‘station’ ‘monkey’ or ‘FPS-machine’. I also had less than 50 hands to show what I had.

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so, let's say you have a friend that you play with at game A. everytime you play with him he seems to play a quality game. you invite him to play in another game where he's unknown. the game is a bit higher with better players. he shows up at that game.. plays for a couple hours and only plays 3 or 4 hands. you see that two of them are QQ and JJ. after the session in the car on the way home he says this to you...
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from jmans report of HSP....
I guess nobody there had any idea of my reputation and playing style, because I have never been accused of being a nit before that day. Usually I get ‘station’ ‘monkey’ or ‘FPS-machine’. I also had less than 50 hands to show what I had.

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would you not say to your friend... they called you that because that's how you came across.
he then goes on to make this claim....
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I would’ve salivated over playing any of them HU. (Maybe wouldn’t have salivated over one or two but would surely be a favorite)

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would you not then say to your friend...
"how do you know such a thing. you didn't tangle with any of them even once. well once you bet the flop when you hit a set but how can you say such a thing."

or would you simply sit in the passenger seat and say....
"hell yeah.. you'd wipe them all out. one by one ... just like rambo."

pick one.

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I also had less than 50 hands to show what I had.


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jman is the one who says he'd have liked the chance to "show america" his skill. this leaves him open to criticism. he is the one that has invited it.

we also have another great comment from your expert. who wanted to impress all of his railbirds.

from jman's report....
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There was another hand that I wasn't a part of where one player shoved the river for about 2/5 pot after check-raising the turn. The other player tanks, saying his hand is as good as ace high. People started to chatter about what he could possibly have, which made me feel awesome since I was 90% sure he had 88-JJ with one club and was calling the turn in hopes for a club to hit or a free showdown and was folding to a river bet. After he folded, Negreanu said that he knew the one player would never bluff there, and I thought to myself how I'd always bluffshove that river. I’m looking forward to seeing that hand to check my read.

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does it not make it look like jman was grandstanding in his report in making it sound like he had this great read on eli. when we see the hand play out we all hear eli admit to having a pp under the Q. to steal a thought from Gabe. "wow, great read Mr. Galfond, great hearing as well".

this guy comes across as disingenuous, and arrogant. he thinks that 5 internit pros could take on 5 of the proven best in the game and win!!!
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I would love if someone would do a show where Me, durrr, Aba, and two more (Not saying I’m necessarily one of the best 5 online players and don’t wanna make a top 5 list) each play HU v Ivey, Doyle, Negreanu, etc. Like, we each pair up with a pro and play best of 3 HU 200bb freezouts. Each team puts up $2mm or whatever and whichever team wins most out of 5 splits the prize amongst themselves. Online pros v Live pros. Then maybe America would realize how it really is. Anyways, I’m ranting now.

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are all internits convinced that the internet pros are better than the recognized greats of the game?

i happen to think if any 5 on 5 challenge were to ever come about that the kids from the net would be sorely mistaken. do a search on phil galfond on youtube. you won't find much .. but.. there is nothing there impressive about his play.

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It pales into insignificance beside the errors that are made like 10 times an episode by other players.

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none of the other players on that show have posted a "report" here leaving his report and the episode that we all have seen open for discussion. furthermore... i found it extremely self absorbed his claim that he'd crush all the players at that table heads up and also that he would at the least be the favorite against all of them.

my point about his play is this.... if he was so confident that he was the best player at the table... then where was his confidence to mix it up with some of the aggrodonks he was up against? i'm sure you'd say he saw 50 hands of nonstop trash. i'm glad you have such strong belief. it's kind of like my trust and belief in the steelers of the 70's to beat every team they faced..then again when i was a 12 y.o. watching those steelers those steelers had won 4 super bowls. they had earned my faith.

jman is a big fish in a small pond. if he keeps stepping up to the majors he may become an accomplished player there too. let's wait to call him that til he puts up the results. because as of yet, he's totally unproven.

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Farha can do completely spastic things like make that K7o call and you just respond by spouting meaningless cliches about how he "has gamble"

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the cliche's get spouted because there really isn't a better explanation for why sammy would call there. he does it often enough that you just expect it from him.

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Farha can do completely spastic things like make that K7o call and you just respond by spouting meaningless cliches about how he "has gamble" and is a great player who would run over us stupid internits.

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I think the difference is that people are not defending Farha as some kind of Demi-god/guru who can do no wrong and would only dominate all the donks at the table given the chance. You are right, tons of bad play at that table... nobody is defending the play of Farha, everyone knows it is ridiculous.

The question is why do some choose to defend the few ridiculous things Jman did?

[Sniiii]

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Farha can do completely spastic things like make that K7o call and you just respond by spouting meaningless cliches about how he "has gamble" and is a great player who would run over us stupid internits.

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I think the difference is that people are not defending Farha as some kind of Demi-god/guru who can do no wrong and would only dominate all the donks at the table given the chance. You are right, tons of bad play at that table... nobody is defending the play of Farha, everyone knows it is ridiculous.

The question is why do some choose to defend the few ridiculous things Jman did?

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Because they're fanboys? Mucking a winning hand like he did can't be defended no matter what. An experienced player would always check whether his hand was good or not in a 27 000$ pot.