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Getting into the Seat....example satellite play (the last 20 hands)
There have been some questions about proper satellite play lately. I have played a bunch of satellites for $T and have been pretty successful at it. Just today I played 2 and qualified in both. I thought I might share a few late game hands I played today that demonstrate how satellite play is very different from FO play.
This set of hands follows me through the end of a $20 satellite to the Nightly $55 50K Gtd. 125 Runners to start, 42 seats. If it seems boring or trivially easy at times, that is b/c I chose not to delete any hands. Just to demonstrate how careful you should play on the satellite bubbles. We pick up here with ~54 left. First, 125 runners at 1000 starting chips a piece means that the average stack at the bubble will be ~3K (125,000 / 42 = 2976.19). So that is the number I am shooting to be at 3K in chips. I start here with 2.2K in chips. So I don't need that many more chips to get a seat. In fact, if the bubble were starting right now, I'm sure I could safely fold in. But I am going to probably have to play a bit before I can fold into the seat. ------------------ HAND #1 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 75/150 Blinds, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter UTG+1: 745 MP1: 2,185 MP2: 1,270 CO: 3,565 BTN: 1,590 SB: 955 Hero (BB): 2,275 UTG: 870 Pre-Flop: (225) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) 5 folds, CO calls 150, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to 955 and is All-In</font>, Hero folds, CO calls 805 Flop: (2,060) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Turn: (2,060) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) River: (2,060) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Results: 2,060 Pot CO showed 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Sevens and Fives) and LOST (-955 NET) SB showed 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a straight, Six to Ten) and WON 2,060 (+1,105 NET) Super easy fold here. ------------------ HAND #2 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter UTG: 745 UTG+1: 2,185 MP1: 1,270 MP2: 2,610 CO: 1,590 BTN: 2,060 Hero (SB): 2,125 BB: 870 Pre-Flop: (300) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB) 3 folds, <font color="red">MP1 raises to 1,270 and is All-In</font>, 5 folds Results: 500 Pot MP1 mucked and WON 500 (+300 NET) Again, another easy fold. ------------------ HAND #3 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BB: 745 UTG: 2,185 UTG+1: 1,570 MP1: 2,610 MP2: 1,590 CO: 2,060 Hero (BTN): 2,025 SB: 870 Pre-Flop: (300) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) 6 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to 2,025 and is All-In</font>, 2 folds Results: 500 Pot Hero mucked 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and WON 500 (+300 NET) This is an easy shove for the button. 300 chips can be picked up and I have no risk of busting (which is disastrous at this point) b/c the stacks behind me are so short. ------------------ HAND #4 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BB: 745 UTG: 2,185 UTG+1: 1,570 MP1: 2,610 MP2: 1,590 CO: 2,060 Hero (BTN): 2,325 SB: 670 Pre-Flop: (300) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) 2 folds, MP1 calls 200, <font color="red">MP2 raises to 600</font>, 5 folds, MP1 calls 400 Flop: (1,500) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">MP1 bets 1,800</font>, MP2 calls 990 and is All-In Turn: (3,480) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) River: (3,480) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Results: 3,480 Pot MP1 showed A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Jacks) and LOST (-1,590 NET) MP2 showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON 3,480 (+1,890 NET) Easy fold with the raise in front. ------------------ HAND #5 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter SB: 545 BB: 2,185 UTG: 1,570 UTG+1: 1,020 MP1: 3,480 MP2: 2,060 Hero (CO): 2,325 BTN: 570 Pre-Flop: (300) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) 7 folds Results: 200 Pot BB mucked and WON 200 (+100 NET) Again, I could probably steal the blinds, but I am in no hurry. I've got some time to play and busting here is disastrous. My hand is not good if I get called. ------------------ HAND #6 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BTN: 445 SB: 2,285 BB: 1,570 UTG: 1,020 UTG+1: 3,480 MP1: 2,060 Hero (MP2): 2,325 CO: 570 Pre-Flop: (300) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP2) UTG folds, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to 600</font>, 6 folds Results: 500 Pot UTG+1 mucked and WON 500 (+300 NET) No comment necessary. ------------------ HAND #7 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter CO: 445 BTN: 2,185 SB: 1,370 BB: 1,020 UTG: 3,780 UTG+1: 2,060 Hero (MP1): 2,325 MP2: 570 Pre-Flop: (300) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP1) 7 folds Results: 200 Pot BB mucked and WON 200 (+100 NET) Easy fold. ------------------ HAND #8 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter MP2: 445 CO: 2,185 BTN: 1,270 SB: 1,120 BB: 3,780 UTG: 2,060 Hero (UTG+1): 2,325 MP1: 570 Pre-Flop: (300) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+1) 3 folds, <font color="red">MP2 raises to 445 and is All-In</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to 1,120 and is All-In</font>, BB folds Flop: (1,090) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Turn: (1,090) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) River: (1,090) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Results: 1,090 Pot MP2 showed 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Sevens) and WON 1,090 (+645 NET) SB showed A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (high card Ace) and LOST (-445 NET) Another easy fold. ------------------ HAND #9 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 150/300 Blinds, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter MP1: 1,090 MP2: 2,185 CO: 1,270 BTN: 675 SB: 3,580 BB: 2,060 Hero (UTG): 2,325 UTG+1: 570 Pre-Flop: (650) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG) 6 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to 3,555 and is All-In</font>, BB folds Results: 800 Pot SB mucked and WON 800 (+475 NET) Same thing. ------------------ HAND #10 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 150/300 Blinds, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter UTG+1: 1,065 MP1: 2,160 MP2: 1,245 CO: 650 BTN: 4,055 SB: 1,735 Hero (BB): 2,300 UTG: 545 Pre-Flop: (650) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) 4 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to 625 and is All-In</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls 325 Flop: (1,600) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Turn: (1,600) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) River: (1,600) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Results: 1,600 Pot CO showed 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Fives) and LOST (-650 NET) Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Kings and Fives) and WON 1,600 (+950 NET) The blinds have moved up and I am now getting rediculous odds on a call in the BB. I still need a few more chips and this guys range is really wide. Easy call here. The key is that I am looking for very +++++EV moves at this point if I am going to get involved, small edges are not worth pushing. ------------------ HAND #11 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 150/300 Blinds, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter UTG+1: 1,040 MP1: 2,135 MP2: 1,220 CO: 4,030 BTN: 1,560 Hero (SB): 3,250 BB: 6,360 UTG: 520 Pre-Flop: (650) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB) 4 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to 900</font>, 3 folds Results: 950 Pot CO mucked and WON 950 (+625 NET) Now I have reached my target and more players have been eliminated. We are getting very close to the bubble. Absolutely no need to do anything but fold here. Notice that the CO can easily fold into a seat and is playing very badly by doing anything but folding here. ------------------ HAND #12 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 150/300 Blinds, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter UTG: 1,015 UTG+1: 2,110 MP1: 1,195 MP2: 4,655 CO: 1,535 Hero (BTN): 3,075 SB: 6,035 BB: 495 Pre-Flop: (650) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) 6 folds, SB calls 150, BB checks Flop: (800) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) SB checks, BB checks Turn: (800) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) SB checks, BB checks River: (800) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) SB checks, BB checks Results: 800 Pot SB showed K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (high card Ace) and LOST (-325 NET) BB showed K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (high card Ace) and WON 800 (+475 NET) Easy fold. We are not looking to do anything at all. All chips are valuable. ------------------ HAND #13 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 150/300 Blinds, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BB: 990 UTG: 2,085 UTG+1: 1,170 MP1: 4,630 MP2: 1,510 Hero (CO): 3,050 BTN: 5,710 SB: 970 Pre-Flop: (650) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) 2 folds, <font color="red">MP1 raises to 900</font>, 5 folds Results: 950 Pot MP1 mucked and WON 950 (+625 NET) EZ Fold. ------------------ HAND #14 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 150/300 Blinds, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter SB: 665 BB: 2,060 UTG: 1,145 UTG+1: 5,255 MP1: 1,485 Hero (MP2): 3,025 CO: 5,685 BTN: 795 Pre-Flop: (650) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP2) UTG folds, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to 900</font>, 6 folds Results: 950 Pot UTG+1 mucked and WON 950 (+625 NET) Here is a place where many would make a mistake. We now that the UTG+1 players is not playing well from before. We have equity against his range, however, playing here is just dumb. We are virtually gtd. a seat by folding. 99.9% chance of getting a seat. Even if he has an underpair, we still lose 20% of the time. Which is disastrous. ------------------ HAND #15 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 200/400 Blinds, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BTN: 490 SB: 1,735 BB: 1,120 UTG: 5,880 UTG+1: 1,460 Hero (MP1): 3,000 MP2: 5,660 CO: 770 Pre-Flop: (920) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP1) 6 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to 1,695 and is All-In</font>, BB folds Results: 1,120 Pot SB mucked and WON 1,120 (+680 NET) Folding into the $. ------------------ HAND #16 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 200/400 Blinds, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter CO: 450 BTN: 2,415 SB: 680 BB: 5,840 UTG: 1,420 Hero (UTG+1): 2,960 MP1: 5,620 MP2: 730 Pre-Flop: (920) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+1) 2 folds, MP1 calls 400, 4 folds, BB checks Flop: (1,320) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) BB checks, <font color="red">MP1 bets 1,200</font>, BB folds Results: 1,320 Pot MP1 mucked and WON 1,320 (+880 NET) Same. ------------------ HAND #17 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 200/400 Blinds, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter MP2: 410 CO: 2,375 BTN: 440 SB: 5,400 BB: 1,380 Hero (UTG): 2,920 UTG+1: 6,500 MP1: 690 Pre-Flop: (920) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG) 6 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to 800</font>, BB folds Results: 1,120 Pot SB mucked and WON 1,120 (+680 NET) Same. ------------------ HAND #18 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 200/400 Blinds, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter MP1: 370 MP2: 2,335 CO: 400 BTN: 6,080 SB: 940 Hero (BB): 2,880 UTG: 6,460 UTG+1: 650 Pre-Flop: (920) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) 7 folds Results: 720 Pot Hero mucked 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and WON 720 (+480 NET) Again, players might get tempted to get excited here if someone raises, but rest assured, I am fodling to almost any raise at all at this point (except maybe MP1 who has barely more than BB and losing to him costs me virtually nothing). ------------------ HAND #19 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 200/400 Blinds, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter UTG+1: 330 MP1: 2,295 MP2: 360 CO: 6,040 BTN: 700 Hero (SB): 3,360 BB: 6,420 UTG: 610 Pre-Flop: (920) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB) 7 folds Results: 720 Pot BB mucked and WON 720 (+480 NET) Again, it would be a huge mistake to play here. EZ fold. ------------------ HAND #20 ------------------ Poker Stars, $18.50 + $1.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 300/600 Blinds, 9 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter UTG: 290 UTG+1: 2,255 UTG+2: 320 MP1: 4,065 MP2: 6,000 CO: 660 Hero (BTN): 3,120 SB: 6,900 BB: 570 Pre-Flop: (1,350) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) UTG calls 230 and is All-In, 3 folds, <font color="red">MP2 raises to 1,800</font>, 3 folds Flop: (2,090) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players - 2 are All-In) Turn: (2,090) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players - 2 are All-In) River: (2,090) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players - 2 are All-In) Results: 2,090 Pot UTG showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Nines) and LOST (-290 NET) MP2 showed J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Nines) and WON 2,090 (+1,520 NET) BB showed 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Nines) and LOST (-570 NET) Finally, we are at the bubble. Only 1 player left until the $. The players here make many mistake, but I do not. Folding TT here is so easy. MP2 is playing really poorly by getting involved. If the UTG player were paying attention, he should also muck his hand PF, regardless of what he has. He has a better chance of the BB busting and getting into the $ with less than 1BB left. Very poor play all around. And we qualify and earn some $T. |
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Re: Getting into the Seat....example satellite play (the last 20 hands
Sherman,
Nice post. I play a lot of $8 2 table satellites for tokens on tilt, and notice a lot of the bad play you talk about in your post -- basically people not realizing that despite the strength of their hand, the profitability of certain late-game situations are not worth getting involved and risking what is a comfortable stack. Question: Hand #4. Would this be as easy a push of the blinds covered? Obv it's different if they barely cover or if they have you 2 or 3-1. What would their stacks have to be to make you fold? Or is this always a push regardless of stacks? |
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Re: Getting into the Seat....example satellite play (the last 20 hands
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Sherman, Nice post. I play a lot of $8 2 table satellites for tokens on tilt, and notice a lot of the bad play you talk about in your post -- basically people not realizing that despite the strength of their hand, the profitability of certain late-game situations are not worth getting involved and risking what is a comfortable stack. Question: Hand #4. Would this be as easy a push of the blinds covered? Obv it's different if they barely cover or if they have you 2 or 3-1. What would their stacks have to be to make you fold? Or is this always a push regardless of stacks? [/ QUOTE ] Hand #4 would be kind of a tricky spot if it is folded to me. The proper play depends on estimation of your FE (i.e. how often you expect both players to fold). They both have short stacks and are probably pretty willing to put it in soon b/c we are still 5-8 people away from the bubble at this point. So they are probably calling pretty light. It is probably a fold. If they had deeper stacks, you gain more FE b/c they have more to lose by busting, so shoving becomes more profitable. However, as their stacks increase so does the probability of you busting if you run into a big hand. There is a tough balance there b/c in satellites near bubbles you are much more risk than in a regular freezeout (i.e. it is often correct to fold in spots where your edge is small). Sherman |
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Re: Getting into the Seat....example satellite play (the last 20 hands
sorrry...i meant hand #3
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I play a lot of $8 2 table satellites for tokens on tilt, and notice a lot of the bad play you talk about in your post [/ QUOTE ] As another point, I'm not sure how these work on Full Tilt, but I don't play many satellites that only pay 1 or 2 seats/prizes. They play much more like regular freezeouts and your edge is approximately equivalent to what it is in regular freezeouts. Your edge can be rather huge in satellites that pay multiple seats (such as the $20 to the $55 here). Although you have a reduced ROI (b/c your BI is 2/5ths of the $ you are trying to win) your edge is still very large b/c multi-seat paying satellites are full of horrendous bubble play. Sherman |
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sorrry...i meant hand #3 [/ QUOTE ] Ah, yeah, it would still be an easy push there I think. We need a few chips and this is a good spot to pick them up. If the blinds have huge stacks (e.g. 8K+) and appear to be thinking players, it is an even easier shove b/c they should be folding ATC. Sherman |
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Re: Getting into the Seat....example satellite play (the last 20 hands
18 players, 5 get a token, 6th gets $14
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18 players, 5 get a token, 6th gets $14 [/ QUOTE ] Not bad, but I do think you can get a bigger edge in sats. that pay many many seats, like 20+. |
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Re: Getting into the Seat....example satellite play (the last 20 hands
Great post sherman. I like this sat alot. It's seems to be one of the softest on stars. 1/3 of field getting seat is nice too. Good insight.
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Re: Getting into the Seat....example satellite play (the last 20 hands
A week ago I started playing supersatt. like the 11+ to a $215 ticket and I am doing fine. I had some similar ideas about these tournaments.
I am using the pushbot-chart but I find it difficult when to push or not to push in situations when it says: Push! I posted some hands yesterday, can u help me with them? Thank you, great post! |
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